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02-08-2012 , 02:40 PM

#4601

yeotaJMU

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Originally Posted by Will_the_thrill

Agree to disagree I guess

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02-08-2012 , 02:41 PM

#4602

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Number 1 is not true, he had to twist his entire body at the last second to be facing the ball as it was thrown behind him and to the left.

#1 is true. He was turned for long enough to see the throw.

I play football. Catching the over the shoulder throw is hard. The longer you see the ball, the easier is it to catch.

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02-08-2012 , 02:41 PM

#4603

Needle77

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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan

I was in the locker room after the game and Gronk was standing naked about 4 feet from me. I was looking at his ankle and there was no noticeable discoloration or swelling, going just by eye you couldn't even tell which was in injured ankle.

Obviously that doesn't mean he was fully healthy, just something I noticed while trying not to look at Patriot wang.

Were you doing camera work?

Anyway, I'm surprised it wasn't wrapped up and being iced or taped or anything at that point after a game. I know its the end of the season and all but still. How long after the game? Did he have time to see the trainer, get treatment, ect?

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02-08-2012 , 02:43 PM

#4604

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Will_the_thrill

Manningham catch is many many orders of magnitude harder to make.

No way are they near the same difficulty, anyone who thinks that has not played sports IRL.

Welker couldve caught that ball any way he wanted to because he beat the coverage. He just didnt get his head around sooner to locate the ball and to make a sure play on it.

Manningham has to worry about 10 more different things than Welker did, all in full sprint. He was the last option on that play too. He has to read the high safety to determine exactly when to look back for the ball. He doesnt even know it's thrown to him until for a very long time in his route.

Given the same circumstances (full sprint, defenders, sideline etc) I'd say 0% make the Manningham catch and maybe 30% make the Welker one.

100% right. Well, except for the last paragraph.

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02-08-2012 , 02:46 PM

#4605

Prawney

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Mannings pass was harder than brady's pass. Im sure for someone in the nfl as a wr catching a ball over the shoulder is standard catching motion that comes like 2nd nature to them. Im not to sure how common welkers catching motion of jumping and spinning around is.

Both catches are pretty difficult but im sure most wr's if given the option of which pass they would rather try catch with the game on the line would choose manninghams.

I understand peoples arguements of why manninghams catch is so hard, But the pass from manning being right on the money helps alot.

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02-08-2012 , 02:46 PM

#4606

Goodie

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Originally Posted by gs3737

#1 is true. He was turned for long enough to see the throw.

I play football. Catching the over the shoulder throw is hard. The longer you see the ball, the easier is it to catch.

I never said either was easy. The Manningham catch was certainly not easy. I think you may be blinded by actually having experience with a similar play to Manninghams where as the Welker catch is less common. From what I see, the Welker catch just looks more difficult from a body control, concentration standpoint. I think what set me off was your "easy catch". That's just ridiculous.

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02-08-2012 , 02:47 PM

#4607

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Prawney

I really hope they ask this question to NFL WRs. If they choose Welker's catch as the more difficult one I would be utterly shocked. It's not even close.

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02-08-2012 , 02:49 PM

#4608

Karak

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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU

Wow.

How many people itt could make the Manningham catch? How many the Welker one?

0, 0 and it's not even remotely close

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02-08-2012 , 02:52 PM

#4609

Prawney

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Originally Posted by gs3737

I really hope they ask this question to NFL WRs. If they choose Welker's catch as the more difficult one I would be utterly shocked. It's not even close.

Your not really looking at it from an nfl wr's mind imo. They must work on the over the shoulder catch alot. And are more than likely well skilled at last second adjustments when the ball finally comes into sight.

Compare that to running down field at the same speed then having to jump and spin to catch a ball thrown to the back shoulder.

I dont see how a catch can be harder when the ball pretty much lands in ur hands, compared to having to spin and catch it on ur back shoulder.

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02-08-2012 , 02:52 PM

#4610

TheNoodleMan

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Originally Posted by Needle77

I was a utility, coiling the cable behind a cameraman.

This was probably about 15 minutes after the game.

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02-08-2012 , 02:52 PM

#4611

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Well, when Welker says he makes that catch virtually every time, and the announcers say the same thing, it's considered a catch he should make. Bear in mind he is an amazing athlete and we are just regular guys. Whether we classify it as "easy" or not, it is a catch Welker should make 99 out of 100 times. Manningham would have gotten much more of a pass if he couldn't catch his ball, be it dropped, knocked out by Chung, or stepping out of bounds.

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02-08-2012 , 02:55 PM

#4612

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Prawney

Once again, Welker had plenty of time (by NFL standards) to get in better position for that pass. He didn't have to worry about landing in bounds.

He didn't have to worry about getting hit by a defender, or having them get a hand in there.

Yes he turned. Yes the pass was slightly off. That is more than offset by the time and space he had.

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02-08-2012 , 02:58 PM

#4613

Prawney

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Manningham didnt have to worry about getting in position to make the catch because it fell right into his hands.

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02-08-2012 , 02:59 PM

#4614

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02-08-2012 , 03:01 PM

#4615

gs3737

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Ok, so we agree that Welker had to worry about getting into position for the catch. While wide open in the middle of the field, facing the ball.

Manningham didn't have to get into position for a throw that was right in his hands, but had to catch it over the shoulder, while trying to stay inbounds and worrying about 2 defenders either getting their hands in there or (Chung) smashing into him at full speed.

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02-08-2012 , 03:02 PM

#4616

loK2thabrain

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Originally Posted by gs3737

No way Manningham gets more of a pass than Welker if he just drops the ball.

Had a defender knocked it out, then I agree he gets a complete pass.

But if he just dropped it? He gets killed for it, especially if they go on to lose.

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02-08-2012 , 03:04 PM

#4617

loK2thabrain

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Originally Posted by Will_the_thrill

Manningham catch is many many orders of magnitude harder to make.

I don't think you know what orders of magnitude means...

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02-08-2012 , 03:06 PM

#4618

Prawney

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Originally Posted by gs3737

In my mind what made manninghams catch hard was holding on to the ball and staying in bounds. What made welkers catch hard was getting in position to make the catch and making the catch while in the air spinning.

I think while only slighty that the hard part of welkers catch was a bit harder than manninghams hard part.

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02-08-2012 , 03:15 PM

#4619

gs3737

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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

Fair enough. My point is there are a few things that can go wrong with the Manningham throw.

The Welker throw is simple--either he catches it or he drops it. Nothing else to worry about there.

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02-08-2012 , 03:16 PM

#4620

loK2thabrain

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Originally Posted by wil318466

The ball was thrown decently, but you guys aren't thinking about what the receiver has to do to catch the ball.

Decently? The ball couldn't have been thrown in a better spot. It was thrown perfectly.

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It's not like you simply run, stretch your hands out, and catch the ball. It doesn't work that way, and if you think that's the case go try it.

Actually, that's exactly how it works.

I'm not an NFL wide receiver, so what I can or cannot do is completely irrelevant to the difficulty level of that catch.

Again, a lot of people disagree with me so it's not like I'm going to argue this to the death. I did want to reply to you because you responded with a well thought out comment about my post.

My original comment was how I thought it was ridiculous for people to compare this catch with the Tyree catch.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on that comparison if you see this post.

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02-08-2012 , 03:16 PM

#4621

Needle77

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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan

I was a utility, coiling the cable behind a cameraman.

This was probably about 15 minutes after the game.

Interesting. Likely he would go see the trainers right after he showers and all to receive treatment. So I guess it makes sense that it wasn't wrapped up. Still very odd for him to be jumping up and down and **** afterwards, especially considering how much he was hobbling around during the game.

Maybe he had a ton of painkillers or something.

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02-08-2012 , 03:17 PM

#4622

gs3737

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Originally Posted by Prawney

Yeah, we are never going to be on the same page here. It's all good.

Welker wasn't spinning though. He had to turn his body. This is a 1st team All-Pro WR we are talking about here.

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02-08-2012 , 03:18 PM

#4623

gs3737

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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

WTF it this??

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02-08-2012 , 03:18 PM

#4624

Prawney

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Originally Posted by Needle77

Your underestimating the power of alcohol, and lots of alcohol at that.

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02-08-2012 , 03:19 PM

#4625

Karak

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Originally Posted by gs3737

WTF it this??

it's a sniper rifle

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