SAS is a race-baiting hack. Only ESPN is dumb enough to take him seriously.

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-le...uble-table-tap

You've deluded yourself with group-think and reassurances from a liar. "Liar" has failed.

chip getting rid of nearly his entire offense is pretty crazy. He's definitely super impatient. The massive blowup in his face potential makes it exciting either way.

Put your sleep monitor on and lights out by 9.

You ate your vegetables so ice cream protein smoothie for desert.

If you don't do what I say, you will be grounded for a week, and I will cut you from the football team.

STFU

Bradford and a pot sweetener.

No u!



Your mind must be "blown." I mean just blown.

Good call.

Chip's planning something big.

"I'm a driver, I'm a winner! Things are gonna change, I can feel it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...231645003.html

Slow start. That's okay though.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-ph...ot-free-agency

remember where you heard it. this is a great deal for st louis. if they weren't in the best division ever assembled, they'd take down some of the weaker divisions. getting bradfords 12mill of the books allows them to do some things (like bring in ayers). their front 7 is elite now. and if bradford sticks around philly they get a ****ing # two out of it.

i predict foles goes 24/10 and the rams contend for the playoffs. big coup in the draft if they get amari, although waynes would make a lot of sense too.

that's a pretty interesting choice. as solid a player as waynes rates to be, not sure how you can pass on amari, especially considering how hard up they are for playmakers in the passing game. in my opinion, they can be looking in no other direction.

he's doing it in a stupid way. trading mccoy for a lesser player and not getting any picks, trading pretty comparable QB's and giving up too much, cutting elite WR's and getting nothing.

the demarco thing doesn't look smart. workhorse RB's fade quickly, as we all know. maybe him and matthews can chop it up a little and that will help. but what are we doing paying a non-feature back huge money?

and let's get real, he over-paid for maxwell. he's a nice player and all, but they paid him elite, shut-down corner money and he's just not that. he's a nice player though and he got thrown at a ton in seattle (which most people don't appreciate) and many times the other teams would put their best receiver on him to avoid sherman (many people think being in the legion increased his value). but that was a tough spot to be in and he performed at a high level.

not to say this can't all work out. i like bradford as a prospect (the first part of 13' he looked great). he could really thrive in this offense and this could work out, but it's highly unconventional.

teams rarely get to super bowls over-paying for free agents.

The Six Keys To Selling/Defending Chip's Revolutionary Road Map To Super Bowl Greatness

(1) Irrespective of it making any sense, whenever we cut, release, or trade a player with $ factored, always affirmatively state that the reason(s) we did it with as much gusto as you can muster. For example, "he's too injury prone," "his best days are behind him," "he got old with too much wear on him," "he's not elite, and never will be," "he's too pricey," and, "he didn't fit Chip's system," should all be your go to staples.

When the exact same ****ing argument(s) used to explain, why we were correct to cut, release, or trade player(s)/pick(s), factoring $, are used in evaluating what we got in return with, just smirk at em; don't smile either. Then stare at the dude. Let em know who's boss with body language. Then shrug with indifference.

Now it's time to dig in and give em hell! Go with something like, "you're a sentimental fandom, ***g**." And sock em with, "you're comparing two wildly different systems, pal." Try, "he fits our system, and not theirs, dumb****." Mix it up, "Chip's moving and shak'n, mak'n all kinds of noise, and isn't afraid to gamble. Calling the clown you're talking to buddy, pal, boss, big guy, or chief, to really drive the condescension home adds bonus points. If you can get a non recipricated slap on the back in, then more power to ya.

(2) When comparing players, don't talk about a demonstrated NFL boddy of work, statistics, or track record. This becomes more important when the player you're discussing has an extensive resume. Instead of that, subtly refer to intangibles and refer to the eye test. Laughter is a great weapon, so if you can get em w/ a funny put down, do so! If what you say happens to not be funny, make sure your buddy backs you up.

Nostalgia is useful tool as well, "college coach was enamored with him, thrived back in the day, he's a 1st rounder, and has the pedigree. Excuses are your friend. Talk about a lack of supporting cast, but don't allow the opposition to apply the same principle in reverse. Talk over them when they do that. Even better, just be a straight shooter, blunt force trauma, Ricky Bobby style speaker. Don't bore them with any evidentiary support. You can do this because your THAT confident in yourself. Throw down like this, B>F Obv, while of course you mean B w/ cond picks, if no perf & sal + upside > F +lock 2nd +salary+mediocre upside.

It's important for this chump to get that, you know that you're a boss, even though he knows, you're obv not, and is absolutely indifferent to you.

(3) Always state, if team stays healthy, and that's a big if, this is gonna work. And, I'll tell you why. You're not really putting yourself out there when you do that. You're actually being a complete cowardice chump who will still claim victory if we happen to make a playoff run. Here's how it works; it's kinda like the Savannah bet at the Roulette table. The keys are to be quick, be a cheat, be a coward, and be sneaky. Just preface every argument you make with, "well yeah, if they stay healthy."

See how that works? We have so many badly injured players that you're bound to have a good excuse by the end of 2016! QB, RB, and LB, to name a few, are each recovering from major injuries and probably won't be ready till camp! How can you lose? Whether it be rehabbing from multiple ACL tears, or a less traumatic injury, there are so many probable built in excuses for you in 2015 - 2016.

(4) Tell yourself that Chip's culture gonna trump talent all day long, every day. The fact that Chip has proven that he can and will blatantly lie to the media and fans with a smug arrogance at press conferences doesn't matter. Don't get hung up on contradictions and discrepencies that you see in his culture philosophy either.

For example, some may cry foul when we cut, by all conservative estimates, a top 15 WR in the NFL (could argue higher), who had top 5 WR intangibles (deep threat, lock to #1 CB coverage, commands backfield awareness, requires 2x coverage, etc.), for nothing in return, because of an undefined, "culture issue DJax was supposedly creating." But, in the same breath coach Kelly keeps a meh, WR, who by last year's defined rank is now our #1, because he's a big target and "blocks well."

Never mind the foolishness that came out of Riley's mouth while drunk at a country music concert or the less serious gibberish he was spewing when He and Maclin were bickering last year. Coop made some big plays as Fole's 3rd option, when the entire backfield was focused on the DJax/Maclin aerial assault, while simultaneously having to consider the ever present threat of McCoy "dicing up your D" for 20+ yards, on any given play. Riley obv didn't do as well in 2014 with better CB opposition.

Chip's reasoning was that if we put culture before talent by cutting DJax --> 2014 -2015, would be a step forward. He was wrong, AINEC.

I'll tell you what, if anyone comes at you with any of the above BS arguments that seem to be cogent, but actually aren't (1) smirk (2) shrug (3) confidence (4) laugh at (preferably w/ in a group) (5) ignore (6) nod at your buddies

Disclaimer: Not a Stephen A Smith truther so don't go there.

(5) When some knuckle head asks you to define what the hell you're talking about, when he happens to over hear you referencing Chip's system, realize there's a lot more to Coach Kelly's system than getting off as many no huddle offensive plays in as little time as possible, being a play calling contrarian, and being a sports science guru.

(6) Just tell yourself and everyone else to remember that with Foles, Shady, DJax/Maclin, a slightly improved supporting offensive cast, and a geared up D, built through good drafting and a handful of solid FA decisions, that we never would have won a Super Bowl.

Then tell yourself, we are better today, than we were before Czar Kelly gutted Philadelphia.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rams-si...5109--nfl.html

"Foles sat between Fisher and general manager Les Snead. Fisher and Snead tried to explain why Sam Bradford had become expendable in the trade with Philadelphia for Foles. Fisher said Bradford would probably not have been back even if he'd agreed to a pay cut."

Take it w/ a grain of salt since it's Eskin.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...uarterback-RG3

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...es-quarterback

"There were some discussions, yes, but from our standpoint, the first-round pick — obviously it’s attractive, but you still don’t have a quarterback. It’s a late pick and then would we move up and get into position to draft one? It didn’t make sense to us."

So Bradford for late 1st which the Rams could of easily leverage to move up for MM or JW with picks/players didn't make sense to the Ram's top brass, but woulda been brilliant if we had managed this coup. And if you talk to Philly fans, "all would be right with everything if, it's all a smoke screen for MM to end up in Philly."

No, instead the Rams take a proven QB in Nick Foles and somehow manage to squeeze our GM/Coach for just a tad more chedda, while unloading a ridiculously over priced contract onto Philadelphia. Even more dumbfounding is that the Rams were going to cut ties with Bradford even if he agreed to a pay cut.

I'm not trying to slam Bradford here. Guys got a heart of gold, is a good person, and definitely a great teammate and leader. I hope he fully recovers and stays healthy.

I'm slamm'n the swap, cause it's a joke. NFL trading from the organization POV is close to a zero sum game. If you honestly tell yourself, NF+2nd+cond-picks+contract-swap, in exchange for, SB+contingencies+late-picks+contract-swap = remotely +EV Philly, you're fooling yourself.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...d-foles-trade/

"Considering that, and considering that Foles’s career passer rating is 94.2 while Bradford’s is 79.3, and considering that Bradford’s injury history is significant, it’s hard to see what Kelly is thinking.

But maybe he’s thinking this: Bradford is an elite quarterback talent, and Foles isn’t. It wasn’t that long ago that Bradford was the first overall pick in the draft and the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year. Foles is a former third-round pick whose skill set is more limited. Based purely on talent for the quarterback position, Bradford is better than Foles.

If Bradford turns out to be the player everyone thought he’d be when he was the rookie of the year in 2010, this will turn out to be a great move by the Eagles. If Foles turns out to be the player he was as a Pro Bowler in 2013, this will turn out to be a great move by the Rams. If both players disappoint — or if both players turn out to be their new teams’ franchise quarterbacks — the tiebreaker goes to St. Louis, which got the better draft picks and saved cap space in the process."

Apparently this beat writer believes that because Bradford was a former 1st rounder AND rookie of the year AND for some unexplained reason, SB #'s aren't representative of his untapped potential despite being in the NFL as a starter since 2010 AND NF is merely a 3rd rounder AND NF #'s aren't relevant to SB for comparison for some inexplicable reason --> SB superior talent > NF

yeah... no.

Players come into their own at different phases in their careers. Of the top prospects, some peak in college, and often times have a sic amount of hype surrounding them. Even after the dust settles, it's clear they've fizzled out, and you see them for what they are, the aura that used to come to mind when that player is discussed remains in the psyche of fans, coaches, scouts, player, managers, and owners.

The problem is, people get stuck on 1st impressions and the name-branding/image that goes with it. Things change and talent value judgments aren't always sober.

RGIII (2nd, 2012) and Cam Newtown (1, 2011) were supposed to blow the league up. I don't want to say wreck after the Johnny Football ordeal. Both QB's had good 1st years in the NFL. That's nice. IMO, neither QB will materialize much past where their current production level is at. When these top prospect types/personalities hit their stride at the college level, but don't live up to expectations in the NFL, temper tantrums often ensue.

RGIII's ego needs constant management and coddling. His reaction last year to coach benching him for sucking was about right.

Mediocre CN still thinks he's superman and is still ripping his imaginary superman air shirt off to proudly display the logo. Dude instigated a brawl doing just that.

On the other hand, Aaron Rogers (24th, 2005) was going to be a good prospect, but no one said he would turn into a NFL superstar. Tom Brady (199th, 2000) was a scout's after thought in 2000.

Where you were drafted, your pedigree, college career, and what college coaches say about you, is nice and all, but it won't necessarily translate to producing results in the pros.

Am I saying Bradford is bad guy. Hell no! But the hype and mystique that still surrounds SB because of the aforementioned factors, and what "shoulda been, but never was," have clearly spilled over into the explanation that his NFL #'s and record are somehow misleading and that he may still become an elite QB.

SB said at his 1st Philly press conference that he wants to earn his spot against Sanchez as the starting QB. That he doesn't want anything handed to him. That's a good start because while everyone knows he will start and nothing will be handed to him by Philadelphia media or fans after a poor outing. IMO, he just seems happy to be given another chance in a new organization after having a 2nd major ACL surgery on his left knee. Good for him. And I hope he recovers and stays healthy. However, SB's NFL numbers, record, and reliability are what they are. They're not fabrications. They're not deceptive. You can't explain them away or rationalize them. And no, he's not the answer to Philadelphia's woes.

NF ripped defenses apart in 2013 - 2014 because he had a full compliment of offensive weapons, his offense as a whole stayed healthy, and he's a strong starting NFL QB. The results weren't random. Because of the 2014 - 2015 lack of O-line protection due to suspension and injury, and the missing synergy between Foles-McCoy/Maclin/Jackson, NF #'s declined while his W/L ratio didn't go anywhere. NF is only going into his 3rd year as a starter, and has plenty of room to to progress. His ceiling is much higher than BF at the NFL level and NF is a superior NFL talent > SB.

This whole debate reminds me of the Philadelphia reaction after Foles went down and Sanchez was on deck. After back up wins a game or two, quite a few fans, and a handful of talking heads were clamoring for Sanchez to take over. They actually thought Sanchez would be the answer.

During the 2013 - 2014 season, NF and JM were both 24 years old, Djax was 26 for the bulk of the season, and McCoy was 25. These players were in their prime. The offense thrived in 2013 - 2014 because of the combined talents of NF, LM, DJ, and JM and due to a strong and healthy supporting cast. Each of these now cut, released, traded players are going to have outstanding NFL careers with a lot of upside.

Where are you getting that Czar Kelly built up NF, JM, DJ, and LM and supporting cast, and not the other way around?

Yes, the Eagles went 4 - 12 the previous year with under coach Reid and MV as the starting QB for most of the season.

The Kelly/Vick record (1-3) is proportionally identical to the 2012 season, not to mention we were being beat up by NY in the 5th game of 2013 until Vick was forced out with an injury in his own end zone.

And an aside, Reid completely turned KC around after being released by Lurie, and KC has performed nearly identically to Philadelphia in 2013 - 2014 and 2014 - 2015. Not to mention KC put a defensive beat down on us week 3 of 2013.

Yes, under Kelly, Vick (1-3) and Sanchez (5-4), each had slightly better QB numbers (ypa, etc.).

True.

Sanchez's record (5-4) includes a dominant performance and a choke against Dallas. There was an end of season melt down where we supposedly rebounded by beating NY in an irrelevant game with no playoff implications. And Kelly/Sanchez were able to add a little window dressing to the offensive numbers against Houston, Carolina, and Tennessee.

Yes, Kelly was a successful college coach.

True.

Yes, offensive minded Kelly has scored a lot of points.

True. However, based on that thinking, if setting franchise records without relevant playoff results mattered, we'd still have LM.

Don't forget 2 and 5 though.

Greatest containment thread of all time.

Doth protests too much.

Yeah, if he were actually contained. He found the Eagles STSS and it's worse than iggy and traidsOC combined. First person I've ever put on ignore.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...181830781.html

"But let's play along and assume that the coaches are telling the truth. Who is offering a first-round pick for Bradford, coming off consecutive ACL surgeries with a mediocre 79.3 rating in 1,760 NFL attempts?"

Abstinence, please keep all Chip Kelly and Eagles-related posting in this thread. Thanks.