would you take Jimmy Clausen over Cutler too? :/

or Jake Locker/Sam Bradford?

you don't know what you're talking about.

of course you will pass, because you'd realize you don't know what you're talking about. arguing an inane point out your ass AND being condescending and sarcastic while doing so is basically the definition of trolling.

please get back to me with a relevant post.

and i called the fact that the Broncos would have a better record than the Bears immediately after the trade and was widely ridiculed.

i might as well go on record as saying Stafford will have a better career than Cutler.

and christ, even if you guys don't agree with that i fail to see how it's an LOLbad opinion.

I think we came up with some terms, but damned if I remember what they were. I don't think it was that specific, because even I know better than to bet on PB appearances.

Colston was a rookie. Meachem hadn't been drafted yet. Moore was a 2nd year player, Henderson had only played one full season, and it was the Katrina washout season of 2005. Nobody had heard of them before because nobody else has ever thrown to them!

Tebow>>>>CUTLUUUUHHHHH

What have you seen from Stafford that makes you think he is better or has more potential than Cutler?

Yes he was a #1 overall pick. But you don't make bets on the turn because your hand looked good preflop. Well, in football and poker many people do do that, but its good to re-evaluate when new information becomes available.

no, i'll pass because i don't feel like breaking down the collective WR's. is that too hard to comprehend?

and i'm not trolling, never have. i am not taking this position to be contrarian.

i guess we can reevaluate Cutler once he stops getting these oh-so-unlucky breaks like getting put in bad systems and having INT's that are never his fault.

and Jahri Evans!

mostly this thread has taught me that people know very little about the current Saints offense (no offense to TNM, i just happened to quote him here)

The Bears don't have middle of the road receivers. They have one guy who might be a great slot receiver and some guys who would make a decent 4/5 receiver on most teams.

Regardless of your thoughts on Cutler, to suggest that the Bears receivers are comparable to the Saints receivers is absurd.

I'm no baseball fan, but your point makes no sense considering that guys like Mike Piazza went in the 62nd round.

but Vince Young is a wins games ldo

you should almost never take an unproven QB(Stafford) over a young QB who has already put up pro bowl numbers. There may be a few ultra rare exceptions when a QB is simply that highly touted, but those are very very rare.


we have no clue. All we can rely upon is the historical data of how top pick QBs have done. With Cutler, we already have seen that he can perform at an extremely high level.

IIRC he went to Hofstra and his coaches badmouthed him a lot leading up to the draft. Small school prospect + your coaches don't like you + 4.6 40 = draft slide. He's 6'4" and has tremendous route-running ability and hands, all of which translate better to NFL success than those things I mentioned.

Some of that is his NFL coaching, to be sure. The Saints have done a good job of finding late-round and small-school gems in the draft the last few years, and I don't know how much of that is the GM / scouting department's work in finding diamonds in the rough, and how much of it is in the coaches' polishing them.

Obv. he wasn't considered a "tremendous weapon" out of college, but he's developed into one-- and was one from the get go; 70 catches for 1,038 yards and 80 TDs his rookie season.

then the only explanation must be that you are very poor at evaluating football

Stafford was the #1 overall pick last year, Clausen will be the #1 overall this year. Stafford has done nothing to change his status this season, he's still a young player with a lot of potential who has yet to produce on an NFL level. Stafford and Clausen are the same player for the purpose of our discussion.

anyway, looking at your posting history it's pretty incredible how many of your posts are either bashing cutler directly or the trade. keep grinding that axe bro.

This.

When all of the smart NFL regs posting ITT are consistently telling you that your position is laughable/incorrect, you may want to reconsider said position.

pretty sure we were discussing why brees has had success and colston is a huge part of it. i guess i could just be confused as to what exactly we were discussing.

Also, Victor is right that a large, strong receiver requires less accuracy than a small, quick one, but Drew Brees is stupid accurate.

i meant from a fans perspective

good at this thread:

[ ] natediggity

dont forget that colston's college coach completely bad mouthed him to nfl teams.

fine i'm taking my ball and going home. will revisit thread in 10 years. you can all relax:-)