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im prob the biggest cutler fanboy here and i have no problem saying the 2 redzone interceptions last night were absolutely awful and there is no way to find any excuse for either of them

that said hes still only 26 years old and is far from a finished product, i feel like this is the biggest thing that cutler haters continue to miss.

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11-13-2009 , 03:21 PM

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Cool. what other Qs do you take over him to start a franchise?

Tavaris Jackson LDO...Oh wait, I was channeling my inner Childress.

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11-13-2009 , 03:23 PM

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Cool. what other Qs do you take over him to start a franchise?

Imo there are 14 QBs I would currently feel comfortable "building a franchise around." Some young ones(Henne, Sanchez, Stafford) may turn out to be franchise QBs, but I haven't seen enough yet to call them that. Some old ones(Warner, Favre) are still very good QBs, but at their age you can't build around them imo.

1. P Manning(1976)
2. D Brees(1979)
3. T Brady(1977)
4. B Roethlisberger(1982)
5. P Rivers(1981)
6. J Flacco(1985)
7. M Ryan(1985)
8. J Cutler(1983)
9. Tony Romo(1980)
10. A Rogers(1983)
11. E Manning(1981)
12. M Schaub(1981)
13. C Palmer(1979)
14. D McNabb(1976)

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11-13-2009 , 03:24 PM

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They had Joe Horn, Colston, Henderson and a better version of Reggie Bush then. Their OL was good then too.

Okay.

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why do you continue to leave out colston? hes a tremendous weapon due to size. same mold as marshall. when you have a big physical athletic wr it will mask a lot of mistakes. no way those dudes get muscled off balls like that one int. also, they have much larger radius than devin hester. qb doesnt have to be as accurate and can force more throws and take more chances.

Pretty results oriented. Its loltarded. He was a 7th round pick. Pretty clear he wasn't considered a tremendous weapon by anyone.

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Brees didn't take them from 3-13 to 10-6 by himself.

They got Deuce McAllister back after he'd missed most of 2005 with a torn ACL and drafted Reggie Bush and Marques Colston.

That is a significant influx of talent even without Brees.

Yeah, but how many win shares or whatever do you want to attribute to Brees?

Keep in mind that Colston's numbers are directly influenced by Brees and we may have Colston as some loltarded 7th reach pick that never sees the field without Brees there.

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11-13-2009 , 03:25 PM

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Why? Denver could pick all busts and it doesn't mean that the trade itself wasn't bad, or that the Bears wouldn't/couldn't have done something better with the picks. The Bears paid a very heavy price. Worst trade ever? Butnahhhhhh. Bad trade? Maybe.

the trade IMO hinges on what denver does with the picks as the trade should theoretically enable them to significantly improve their team. If the picks don't neccessarily turn out great, then the trade itself may end up being a wash

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11-13-2009 , 03:26 PM

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Last night's game reminded me an awful lot of Manning's 6 INT game against SD in 2007. You might remember that Peyton was throwing to a legendary cast of scrubs because Reggie Wayne was double teamed everyone else was injured.

Last night night the Bears played a WR named Devin Aromashodu. Aromashodu was on the Colts in 2007 and still didn't play in that SD game. Even with Harrison, Wayne, Gozalez and Clark injured, Devin Aromashodu still wasn't good enough to get on the field, but he got reps last night for a Bears team with no significant WR injuries. That's how bad their WR corps is.

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11-13-2009 , 03:27 PM

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they are outliers by a wide margin

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4152%22

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/...qbintrates.php

edit: those two specifically. even drew brees has only been marginally better than average in terms of ints over the last few seasons

There is another thing those 2 have in common: They are elite. That doesn't mean the laws of variance don't apply to them.

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I totally agree- the Colts should have cut this guy years ago

Year 1 31
year 2 21
year 3 20
year 4 30
year 5 25

Who does this Peyton Manning character think he is? Turning the ball over more than 25 times a season?

OMG you are right, Jay Cutler is Peyton Manning re-incarnated!!111

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im prob the biggest cutler fanboy here and i have no problem saying the 2 redzone interceptions last night were absolutely awful and there is no way to find any excuse for either of them

that said hes still only 26 years old and is far from a finished product, i feel like this is the biggest thing that cutler haters continue to miss.

Other QBs who are far from being a finished product: Matt Stafford, Troy Smith, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Colt Brennan, Chad Henne, Brady QUinn, Kevin Kolb, Brian Brohm, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, etc.

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11-13-2009 , 03:29 PM

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There is another thing those 2 have in common: They are elite. That doesn't mean the laws of variance don't apply to them.

they are not the only elite qbs to ever play the game. the fact that brady and manning can make this claim, but brees cannot should tell you something

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11-13-2009 , 03:31 PM

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Other QBs who are far from being a finished product: Matt Stafford, Troy Smith, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Colt Brennan, Chad Henne, Brady QUinn, Kevin Kolb, Brian Brohm, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, etc.

none of the bolded are anywhere near the discussion of cutler

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11-13-2009 , 03:32 PM

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The Bears have a bunch of AWESOME WR3s.

Even if a few of them are only slightly below average WR2s, the complete lack of anything resembling a #1 WR makes everyone look ******ed out there.

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11-13-2009 , 03:32 PM

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Wow, people are still hanging on Cutler's nuts.

I really don't get where all the Cutler fanboy stuff came from. He's the most overrated player in the NFL, according to SE posters. I don't care how bad his O-Line is, that many turnovers, especially in the red zone, are inexcusable. Good QBs find a way to not do that.

this post ignant brah

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11-13-2009 , 03:33 PM

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seriously, phb what do you take from those two articles?

for those who haven't read them the main points are that

-- b/t comp%, sack%, td%, and int%, int% is the hardest for a qb to control (i.e. the most random) and it's not that close. implicit point that qbs only have so much control over any of these (ldo)
-- over large samples pretty much the entire range of qbs would have comparable interception rates.

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11-13-2009 , 03:35 PM

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There is another thing those 2 have in common: They are elite. That doesn't mean the laws of variance don't apply to them.

OMG you are right, Jay Cutler is Peyton Manning re-incarnated!!111

Other QBs who are far from being a finished product: Matt Stafford, Troy Smith, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Colt Brennan, Chad Henne, Brady QUinn, Kevin Kolb, Brian Brohm, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, etc.

this post ignant brah

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11-13-2009 , 03:35 PM

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we get it prohorn, you hate cutlahhhhhh.

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11-13-2009 , 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thremp

Pretty results oriented. Its loltarded. He was a 7th round pick. Pretty clear he wasn't considered a tremendous weapon by anyone.

Colston is obviously a case of a player from a small school getting completely overlooked. Its a gross misjudgment of talent by NFL scouts. It happens sometimes.

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The idea that Colston never sees the field without Bress there is laughable. He won the job in camp and started from game 1.

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11-13-2009 , 03:38 PM

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fwiw i think youll find that a very high fraction of ALL interceptions are not the fault of any given QB, whether due to tipped passes, receivers running different routes etc

Well, balls tipped at the line of scrimmage are at least partially the quarterback's fault.

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11-13-2009 , 03:40 PM

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Colston is obviously a case of a player from a small school getting completely overlooked. Its a gross misjudgment of talent by NFL scouts. It happens sometimes.

and why the nfl draft >>>>>> all other pro sport drafts

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11-13-2009 , 03:41 PM

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none of the bolded are anywhere near the discussion of cutler

Stafford isn't? really? in terms of "starting a franchise" i'd say Stafford is right up there with Cutler, maybe above him.

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11-13-2009 , 03:41 PM

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LOL at the above post

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Well, balls tipped at the line of scrimmage are at least partially the quarterback's fault.

sure, but its still very unlucky. tipped/dropped passes by WR that end up as ints are what i was mainly considering

it goes both ways though. there are plenty of plays where defenders drop ints that were thrown practically straight at them. the overall point is to not put a ton of stock into number of ints, of all the qb stats ints will vary by far the most

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11-13-2009 , 03:42 PM

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Stafford isn't? really? in terms of "starting a franchise" i'd say Stafford is right up there with Cutler, maybe above him.

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11-13-2009 , 03:45 PM

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LOL at the above post

sure, but its still very unlucky. tipped/dropped passes by WR that end up as ints are what i was mainly considering

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Originally Posted by _EM_

fine, you guys are ridiculous. a QB just went #1 overall in April and you can't fathom why some GM's would want him to start a franchise over Jay Cutler (lol at that by the way).

you're right, this is getting comical.

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11-13-2009 , 03:52 PM

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a lot of this is what 9ers fans would call "alexcuses" instead it's cutlercuses.

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11-13-2009 , 03:53 PM

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do you really want me to tell you why cutler >>>>>>> stafford? i can seriously write you an essay, right now, is that really what you want?

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11-13-2009 , 03:58 PM

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do you really want me to tell you why cutler >>>>>>> stafford? i can seriously write you an essay, right now, is that really what you want?

sure. write me an essay on why if you were starting a franchise it would be a no brainer to pick Cutler over Stafford (and why Stafford doesn't even belong in the discussion).

i'm dying to see how you envision Stafford's career panning out after 6 career starts