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Brees didn't take them from 3-13 to 10-6 by himself.

They got Deuce McAllister back after he'd missed most of 2005 with a torn ACL and drafted Reggie Bush and Marques Colston.

That is a significant influx of talent even without Brees.

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11-13-2009 , 02:42 PM

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yeah i just wrote the 5th rounder wrong, you didnt eliminate the 5th rounder from my post when you fixed it.

yea, just reread my post. I missed us giving up a 5th in there

I still thin we need to see what denver does with the picks that were given and what those players turn into. THe Herschel Walker trade ended up being so lopsided because jimmy johnson used the NFL as his bitch with those picks and was able to wheel and deal to put a great cast of characters around Aikman and Irvin

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11-13-2009 , 02:42 PM

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regardless, brees alone is a good enough reason to cause such a turnaround imo

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11-13-2009 , 02:45 PM

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brees is quite obviously >>> cutler, but his sack rates have been a good bit lower for the saints than they were for the chargers. his last two years there, when he was good, his sack rate was 5%; on the saints it's been 2.8%. he was a good qb who came in w/some very good talent around him= awesome offense

int% is really flukey btw, esp for young qbs. just want to throw that out there

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11-13-2009 , 02:45 PM

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2010 wr free agent list
vincent jackson
brandon marshall
braylon edwards,
to
antonio bryant
steve breaston
kevin walter
miles austin

2010 free agent o linemen
jahri evans
logan mankins
marcus mcneill
daryn colledge
jared gaither(RFA)

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

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11-13-2009 , 02:46 PM

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agree, i misspoke before

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11-13-2009 , 02:47 PM

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thats pretty ****ing sick. but id imagine alot of those guys get resigned.

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11-13-2009 , 02:50 PM

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uh, you just said that they gave up a 5th rounder right there in your post

whatever, i meant to say chicago did not give up a 5th (as your posts indicated incorrectly.) the trade you quoted is correct. the other 2 trades are wrong.

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11-13-2009 , 02:50 PM

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Why was Brees able to turn the Saints offense into the 2nd cumming, but Cutlah can't?

This is terrible, he had/has a great o-line and a system that is 10000 times better. Chicago's offensive system is awful and it holds Cutler back a ton.

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11-13-2009 , 02:52 PM

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Wow, people are still hanging on Cutler's nuts.

I really don't get where all the Cutler fanboy stuff came from. He's the most overrated player in the NFL, according to SE posters. I don't care how bad his O-Line is, that many turnovers, especially in the red zone, are inexcusable. Good QBs find a way to not do that.

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11-13-2009 , 02:57 PM

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if there weren't a lot of evidence suggesting that interceptions have an extremely high component of variance (unless you are manning/brady/etc) then i would probably think jay cutler sucked. there is, so i think he's probably a good qb who has been getting at least a little unlucky. it will take a couple of years to find out though

edit: not sucked, but you know what i mean

consider this: brett favre, who is frequently lambasted as being int prone, has a career int% that is marginally below average

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11-13-2009 , 03:01 PM

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2010 wr free agent list
vincent jackson
brandon marshall
braylon edwards,
to
antonio bryant
steve breaston
kevin walter
miles austin

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

all of the bold guys could be RFA depending on the CBA (it goes from 4 years to 6 years experience if the CBA isn't renewed), Breaston is RFA either way.

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11-13-2009 , 03:01 PM

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Good QBs find a way to not have their receivers slip and fall or run into refs or get interfered with?

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11-13-2009 , 03:03 PM

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I also think if Cutler was on the Broncos we would be debating whether he was better than Rivers and one of the best QBs in the league.

Actually I think he would be driving McDaniels nuts by throwing stupid picks and being a little bitch.

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11-13-2009 , 03:05 PM

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What do you mean "except for Manning and Brady"?

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11-13-2009 , 03:05 PM

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uh, you just said that they gave up a 5th rounder right there in your post

lol. proofreading is for dorks.

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11-13-2009 , 03:07 PM

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Last night Cutler's body language, his build, and the way he was wrist-flinging the ball off his back foot was eerily reminiscent of Jeff George.

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11-13-2009 , 03:08 PM

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plus one kazillion

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11-13-2009 , 03:10 PM

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What do you mean "except for Manning and Brady"?

they are outliers by a wide margin

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4152%22

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/...qbintrates.php

edit: those two specifically. even drew brees has only been marginally better than average in terms of ints over the last few seasons

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11-13-2009 , 03:10 PM

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I totally agree- the Colts should have cut this guy years ago

Year 1 31
year 2 21
year 3 20
year 4 30
year 5 25

Who does this Peyton Manning character think he is? Turning the ball over more than 25 times a season?

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11-13-2009 , 03:12 PM

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im prob the biggest cutler fanboy here and i have no problem saying the 2 redzone interceptions last night were absolutely awful and there is no way to find any excuse for either of them

that said hes still only 26 years old and is far from a finished product, i feel like this is the biggest thing that cutler haters continue to miss.

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11-13-2009 , 03:12 PM

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Good QBs find a way to not have their receivers slip and fall or run into refs or get interfered with?

I've never seen so much "it was someone else's fault" for INTs more so than with Cutler.

Next year the Bears will improve their WRs and Cutler will still make stupid throws that get picked, probably at in opportune time...because he's Jay Cutler and his arm is super strong and no matter how small the space, or the fact he's currently falling backwards as he throws, Cutler can get it in there.

Probably the best thing for Cutler would be if the Bears fired Lovie and hired Bates and Shanny.

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11-13-2009 , 03:14 PM

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we also need to look at what denver does with the picks too before any decent conclusions can be made

Why? Denver could pick all busts and it doesn't mean that the trade itself wasn't bad, or that the Bears wouldn't/couldn't have done something better with the picks. The Bears paid a very heavy price. Worst trade ever? Butnahhhhhh. Bad trade? Maybe.

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11-13-2009 , 03:17 PM

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Actually I think he would be driving McDaniels nuts by throwing stupid picks and being a little bitch.

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11-13-2009 , 03:17 PM

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I've never seen so much "it was someone else's fault" for INTs more so than with Cutler.

fwiw i think youll find that a very high fraction of ALL interceptions are not the fault of any given QB, whether due to tipped passes, receivers running different routes etc

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