Strongly disagree.

Rodgers is also playing behind a bad O-line, and while he has taken a lot more sacks than Cutler (most in the league I believe), he has pretty much outplayed him in every other facet. Then again he has had the receivers and run game while Cutler really hasn't.

I also think if Cutler was on the Broncos we would be debating whether he was better than Rivers and one of the best QBs in the league.

i cannot believe the amount of excuses being made for Cutler.

Cutler has played really bad in his three prime time games this year, people haven't watched his other games where he played well.

I can't believe peoples' inability to use some perspective when trying to judge a player's ability.

I also might be underrating Rodgers. He's pretty awesome. If I had to choose between him and Cutler I'd pick him.

To all the haters, do you think Cutler is worse this year than he was last year?

that's all fine and dandy. and i can't argue with "perception."

i'll just say that when Cutler plays I feel like i'm watching Jeff George. just wing it out there with the bazooka and hope for the best. also helps to be a complete crybaby.

lol at the crybaby meme. he's an incredibly tough guy, and if you're referencing the situation in Denver any 26 year old pro bowl qb would have handled it the same, imho

I mean anyone who watched the packers game or this game knows

1) Cutler has literally no talent around him on the offense, no protection, and receivers who are incapable of getting open. Last night's game was a joke every pass play he was surrounded by like a billion 49ers guys and the receiver rarely had any space on the defender

2) Cutler tries way way too hard to force some spots, (like the last play of the game) which leads to some gross INT's. Being overconfident in your ability isn't necessarily a bad thing

But if you really don't think he's super talented, just go rewatch some games from his last 2 years in Denver- sure he made some mistakes but someone who the pressure is on so constantly is going to (Denver had like the worst defense evarrr last year- see @ SD week 17). He had time to throw and some good talent (meh besides Marshall not much but @ least they weren't ******ed like the Bears guys)

If they work on improving their passblock schemes and o-line they will improve tremendously as will Cutler's production

I was definitely one of the biggest Cutler haters wrt his offseason behavior.

you may disagree that he is a baby (not sure how but i guess it is possible).....but my claim is certainly not LOLworthy.

1. Cutler is a chump for his "offseason behavior."

2. Cutler is a very good QB. I think regardless of "rankings" skillwise (even factoring in questionable decision making) he is second tier.

3. He is pretty young, maybe his decision making will get a little better.

4. I think the deal hamstrings the Bears from being elite (while Cutler is there). I don't think they will have more than 10 wins or more than 10 losses in the next 6-8 years (while Cutler is QB).

5. He has run REALLY bad. Most of you just see him crying and say, "WAH WAH CUTLAH IS CRYING." ... and he is, but its because he is run ridiculously bad in a lot of spots. Last night was a perfect example. As already stated, he prob threw like 1.5 picks EV-wise, but ended up with 5. He's run both sides of good and bad, but EV-wise I'd say he should have about 5 less picks over the course of this season.

Given how long QBs can play, Peyton/Brady/Brees' ages do not disqualify them from being better players to start a new franchise with, especially given how spectacular they are.

Building a franchise today:
Peyton/Brady/Brees/Ben/Rivers/Rothlisberger/Ryan/Rodgers/Flacco/Schaub

I think Cutler, Eli, Romo are all close, then I guess Palmer. Even debating some of the guys like Flacco, he's somewhere in the 9-13 range in terms of "QB's I'd draft today to start my franchise with". Considering how many old vets are out there that are totally disqualified from this (Favre, Warner, Hasselbeck etc) that's really nothing to write home about.


C'mon, I know there's variance in sports, but "the O-line was on an insane heater last year" is just silly. Hey, it's all random so I don't ever have to question my own beliefs amirite? And It's not like last year was Orton's only year of avoiding mistakes and doing ok with limited talent. He has been amazingly consistent as a starter from the year the Bears went to the Super Bowl all the way through this year. Orton's no world beater, and I'm not saying he's better than Cutler, but this is an over-the-top excuse for Jay.

LOL at Cutler being good enough to have haters.

He's nice. He's a primadonna headcase frontrunner who really does well when things are going well and implodes spectacularly when things aren't. He's got talent, that's for sure. He wouldn't be the first QB with talent to underachieve.

man, last night was fun. That brief odell appearance and the fighting that ensued afterwards in that locked thread was great.

People are just leaving Roethlisberger out of this discussion because they realize how obvious it is that he's > Cutler right?

i would imagine so

how should he have handled the situation, in your opinion? He was a young franchise QB coming off a pro bowl season being shopped by his totally unproven rookie head coach for a quarterback that is, by all accounts, worse than him. relate it to your own life/job. demanding a trade in that spot is 100% standard. just my opinion, obviously

at football? :/ Cutler's numbers on that team would be off the charts

lol @ the absurdity of this claim

what running game?

Cutler is fourth best in the NFC North!!

FO has GB's rungame ranked 11th in the NFL, compared to Chicago's 28th. GB is 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and 9th in Y/A.

If there is one thing to take away from the Cutler trade its that if you suck in the NFL MAKE YOUR OFFENSIVE LINE BETTER FIRST!

These two things go hand-in-hand. Cutler has to force spots because he doesn't have a lot of good ones. If he doesn't, then nothing will ever get done with an offense like the Bears.

Orton is in a dream situation. The offense is perfectly suited for him (lots of high percentage short passes). Plus, he has a great offensive line in front of him. He has plenty of time and the scheme minimizes his mistakes.