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11-13-2009 , 10:52 AM

Tyler Durden

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Through 9 games he has thrown 14 touchdowns and 17 interceptions for a passer rating of 76.0. He has been sacked 19 times, albeit while playing behind a Swiss cheese O-Line.

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11-13-2009 , 10:55 AM

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The Bears have the least offensive talent out of any team in the NFL not named the Rams. Cutluh has ran bad to throw that many picks, he is still a top 5 QB to build a franchise around.

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11-13-2009 , 10:58 AM

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The Bears have the least offensive talent out of any team in the NFL not named the Rams. Cutluh has ran bad to throw that many picks, he is still a top 5 QB to build a franchise around.

I think that may be part of it, but I also think him being overrated is another part of it.

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11-13-2009 , 10:58 AM

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The Bears have the least offensive talent out of any team in the NFL not named the Rams. Cutluh has ran bad to throw that many picks, he is still a top 5 QB to build a franchise around.

Yeah, this.

He does some dumb things from time to time, but they would be minimized with a good team around him. You'd do dumb things too if you were running for your life every play.

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11-13-2009 , 11:04 AM

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CUTLAHHHH!!!

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11-13-2009 , 11:06 AM

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I think that may be part of it, but I also think him being overrated is another part of it.

Cool. what other Qs do you take over him to start a franchise?

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11-13-2009 , 11:09 AM

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The Bears have the least offensive talent out of any team in the NFL not named the Rams. Cutluh has ran bad to throw that many picks, he is still a top 5 QB to build a franchise around.

yep. gotta force a lot of balls when your running game averages 2.3 or w/e yards per carry

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11-13-2009 , 11:11 AM

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Cool. what other Qs do you take over him to start a franchise?

Eli, Schaub, Matt Ryan. Aaron Rodgers. I hate Tony Romo but I'd take him over Cutler. Drew Brees. Joe Flacco. Big Ben. Rivers. Carson Palmer.

Peyton and Brady.

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11-13-2009 , 11:13 AM

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One thing we've learned from the trade, imo, is that Ryan Clady is actually really awesome at pass blocking.

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11-13-2009 , 11:13 AM

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Cool. what other Qs do you take over him to start a franchise?

Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Rodgers, Schaub, Flacco, Palmer, and Ryan for sure.

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11-13-2009 , 11:14 AM

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Eli, Schaub, Matt Ryan. Aaron Rodgers. I hate Tony Romo but I'd take him over Cutler. Drew Brees. Joe Flacco. Rivers.

Peyton and Brady.

Schaub/Eli/Romo/Flacco all def. below him. Brees/Peyton/Brady above. Rivers above, Ryan and Rodgers are close.

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11-13-2009 , 11:16 AM

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Yeah, he is def. underrated at this point.

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11-13-2009 , 11:18 AM

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Schaub/Eli/Romo/Flacco all def. below him. Brees/Peyton/Brady above. Rivers above, Ryan and Rodgers are close.

Lol this is insanity, I'd love to hear a defense of how Cutler is better than Schaub and Rodgers. Flacco and Ryan I can see some sort of argument for, but the other two are pretty ridiculous claims to make.

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11-13-2009 , 11:18 AM

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Did the Bears have the least amount of talent in the NFL when Orton started last year?

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11-13-2009 , 11:19 AM

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Through 9 games he has thrown 14 touchdowns and 17 interceptions for a passer rating of 76.0. He has been sacked 19 times, albeit while playing behind a Swiss cheese O-Line.

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^that is the reason. While there have been some picks of his this year that have come from dumbassery, the majority of his picks have come from WR screw-ups, and ridiculous o-line breakdowns where he has a guy in his face within 3 seconds of having the ball and he then forces the pass. If anyone on the line knew how to pass block, he'd have less interceptions

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11-13-2009 , 11:23 AM

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Did the Bears have the least amount of talent in the NFL when Orton started last year?

if you're talking about offensive talent, then yeah they were definitely bottom 5

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11-13-2009 , 11:26 AM

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Whatever excuse you want to make for him, all those interceptions are incredibly costly and he has to be able to avoid making those throws that lead to them.

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11-13-2009 , 11:33 AM

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Schaub has tons of talent around him and can't stay healthy.
Peyton/Brady are on a different level because they are 33/32 so a lot of Cutler's value come from being 7/6 years younger than them.
When comparing him to QBs at the same age.
I think Rivers/Ryan are the only people clearly better. Rodgers has a lot of the same problems, but has really good WRs.

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11-13-2009 , 11:35 AM

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He forces the ball entirely too much and doesnt seem to throw it away and cut his losses. Had been a little more conservative in a close game like last night they could have won with just field goals.

That being said I think even just a little more talent, i.e. a receiver that demands attention, he could be significantly better or at least more productive.

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11-13-2009 , 11:37 AM

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Did the Bears have the least amount of talent in the NFL when Orton started last year?

the O-line was on an insane heater last year. I'm still surprised that Orton didn't get sacked an insane amount of time. Cutler has been able to use his feet to at least get the ball away for the bears. Orton would be in 10 million pieces with how porous the O-line is, and the bears don't even have a 1st or 2nd round pick in the draft to hopefully make the line better

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11-13-2009 , 11:38 AM

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Eli, Schaub, Matt Ryan. Aaron Rodgers. I hate Tony Romo but I'd take him over Cutler. Drew Brees. Joe Flacco. Big Ben. Rivers. Carson Palmer.

Peyton and Brady.

I dont think he is a top 5 QB to build a franchise, I like your selections here but I think you have to build a list of say sub 27 yr old guys. Adding Peyton Brady and Brees are almost too obvious to list but they are all a bit older. The only guy I dont agree is ahead of Cutler is Flacco, the team he is own is pretty talented and he is very well coached.

Edit: I didnt bother to look up ages

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11-13-2009 , 11:45 AM

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I said Rodgers was similar. He has less pocket presence but also takes less stupid risks. Otherwise they are pretty similar only Rodgers is obv. working with a lot more receiving talent.

Schaub is working with a top3 receiver, was working with a top3 TE (imo) and has an awesome 2nd receiver. Walter is good enough to be #1 in Chi.

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11-13-2009 , 11:49 AM

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How many of those picks last night were really Cutler's fault?

Hester fell down on one and ran to the umpire on another. The were a questionable non-called DPI on one and obviously forcing an INT on the last play of the game is completely understandable.

The leaves one.

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11-13-2009 , 11:52 AM

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That last play was pretty terrible and they may have had one more chance had he thrown an incomplete vs. a pick. I'd put it at 1.5.

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11-13-2009 , 11:56 AM

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I disagree with you a little. Ignoring Brees/manning/brady, the two QB's id take over Cutlah are Ryan and Rogers. I don't know much about Ryan but I'll go with the consensus that he's very good. Rogers, imo, is going to be a superstar in this league if he can avoid injury (which I don't think he can unless their OL gets much better very soon...he's got a very slight frame). Cutlah = Rivers imo, and then Flacco, Shaub, and the rest.

I'm guessing a lot of the people hating on Cutler don't watch him play much. He's a natural, the talent there is obvious

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