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Al Riveron, the NFL's senior vice president of officiating said "clear and obvious" is the standard that is used to overturn any call and "this definitely met that criteria."

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"The last time we had control was by an offensive player, somewhere around the 1 1/2 or the 2 [yard line], never regains control of the football while contacting inbounds. So in that sense, by rule, we have a touchback," Riveron said. "We might not agree with the rule, we might have situations where we disagree with the rule, but that is the rule. So the rule was enforced correctly."

Speaking with pool reporter Bob Glauber after the game, referee Tony Corrente walked through what he saw on the play.

"The final shot that we saw was from the end zone that showed the New York Jets' runner, we'll call him a runner at that point, with the football starting to go toward the ground. He lost the ball," Corrente said. "It came out of his control as he was almost to the ground. Now he re-grasps the ball and by rule, now he has to complete the process of a recovery which means he has to survive the ground again. So in recovering it, he recovered, hit the knee, started to roll and the ball came out a second time. So the ball started to move in his hands this way... he's now out of bounds in the end zone, which now created a touchback. So he didn't survive the recovery and didn't survive the ground during the recovery is what happened here."

Corrente said the ruling didn't have to do with the catch and was overturned due to ASJ losing control of the ball before reaching the end zone. Riveron and Corrente determined the tight end didn't regain full control of the ball before it went out of bounds.

"Had the ball not come loose and he had crossed the goal line and he had possession and started to roll on his back, that would have been the touchdown," Corrente said. "But because he lost the ball on his way to the ground the first time and had to re-grasp, that means now it's a loose ball. He has to have control and survive the ground in the process of the recovery or, as we say, the process of the catch. So that's what that was about."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-nontouchdown

https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/919681204772749314

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10-16-2017 , 08:58 PM

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Are you guys sure you're watching the right play? There's indisputable evidence that pats would benefit from the overturn. This is especially true when look at it from the sideline angle, where you can clearly see the patriots logos on their jerseys. Furthermore, the refs have multiple hi-def, super slo-mo video feeds of wikipedia, where they can conclude without a shadow of a doubt that the New York Jets are not the New England Patriots.

In fact, I think the controversy here should be that they didn't rig it hard enough for the pats, thus encouraging them to cheat again. The real hero here is Tom Brady for fighting the urge to cheat for one more game.

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10-16-2017 , 10:49 PM

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The ball is loose briefly, disappears from view totally while he's still in bounds, and then when he rolls over (but is long out of bounds), it's visible and he has it in his possession again. This is like textbook "play stands as called".

Riveron's trying to claim the call was good might be the worst part of it, though, it's embarrassing. Just admit your ref ****ed up, be thankful it wasn't a game-deciding last-second play, promise to do better next time and smile.

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10-16-2017 , 11:08 PM

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They're saying he lost control of the ball a second time as he rolled over. Which if you look very closely I guess it wobbles a bit in his hands. So he doesn't regain possession for the last time until he's on his back touching OOB.

That at least makes a bunch more sense. Pretty nitpicky on the last bobble though.

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10-18-2017 , 12:11 AM

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Call was the football version of a sliding baserunner coming off the base for a microsecond.

It's a weird artifact of instant replay.

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10-18-2017 , 12:16 AM

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They just showed Dave Roberts' stolen base heard round the world in 2004. In fast time I think he might have come off the bag a bit. Imagine that call.

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10-18-2017 , 12:58 AM

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It's the same play as the RG3 fumble from years ago. I think the rule is stupid as hell, but it was applied the same way.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington...-angry-at-call

However, I still have no idea where the ball came out a second time, and it's too hard to tell if he was in bounds or not after recovering it. I honestly can't believe that gets overturned with all the other obvious bull**** they've missed or ruled incorrectly on replay (John Brown's OT TD catch against the 49ers being an obvious **** up).

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10-18-2017 , 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT

However, I still have no idea where the ball came out a second time, and it's too hard to tell if he was in bounds or not after recovering it. I honestly can't believe that gets overturned with all the other obvious bull**** they've missed or ruled incorrectly on replay (John Brown's OT TD catch against the 49ers being an obvious **** up).

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01-07-2018 , 09:57 AM

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My god. Jeff Triplette.

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01-07-2018 , 10:06 AM

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Retiring on top baby

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03-06-2018 , 02:26 PM

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Hochuli and Triplette sleep with the fishes.

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03-06-2018 , 02:38 PM

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Hochuli is being replaced by his son as a referee.

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09-30-2018 , 08:03 PM

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Would like to thank the Raiders/Browns refs for their fine performance today.

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09-30-2018 , 08:13 PM

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The Browns legit had the game stolen from them

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09-30-2018 , 08:15 PM

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I think he was short of the first down but not enough to overturn, etc, etc

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09-30-2018 , 08:15 PM

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That may be, but then there were like 11 more calls/no calls that all favored the Raiders

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09-30-2018 , 08:20 PM

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If I was a Browns fan, I'd be screaming rigged at the top of my lungs

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09-30-2018 , 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

If I was a Browns fan, I'd be screaming rigged at the top of my lungs

Therein lies the rub.

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09-30-2018 , 10:47 PM

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No bump two weeks ago for the refs taking a Packers W off the board against the Vikings with the roughing the passer call on Matthews?

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10-01-2018 , 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

I think he was short of the first down but not enough to overturn, etc, etc

I don't think so. They showed it like 10 times on ESPN just now and maybe from a different angle his elbow comes down early but it doesn't seem like it.

The fumble/forward motion call was probably worse. 1 bad call **** you. 2 bad calls ****s rigged

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10-01-2018 , 10:03 AM

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I get that with the NFL anything's possible but what on earth could motivate the league to rig a week 4 matchup between the Browns and Raiders. And if you think it was gambling related, surely there's some mechanism that goes off when odds shift drastically/a ton of money is wagered

Lol refs

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10-01-2018 , 07:15 PM

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NFL claims it has a special angle showing Hyde was short, can’t show us because reasons, is there anything more irritating about stupid rich people than how stupid they think everyone else is?

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10-02-2018 , 12:41 AM

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Still rattled about the game. Worst part is that the actual spot they put it at was good, but the actual spot it should've been at was a half yard FARTHER UP THE FIELD

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