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Originally Posted by mrno1324
Also rofl at people contributing Vak's success from 2011 onward to Fed getting old rather than the massive improvement he made (mental game and diet and whatever else).
You can make opinion statements about the reasons all you like. The fact is that Vak did not win more than a single Grand Slam until Fed was 29/30+.
Vak won 1 GS when Fed was in his prime. Fed won multiple GS's when Vak was in his prime. Depending on what you want to count: Fed won 7 GS's when Vak was 22+ including 4 GS's when Vak was 25+.
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When Olderer wins
Fed fans: oh my, remarkable,
True. You don't think it's remarkable that a 35/36 year old won 3 Grand Slams at those decrepit-for-tennis ages? I will give Vak a ton of credit if he is winning GS's at 35/36.
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at this old age he is still as sharp as ever,
False. Almost nobody is saying this. I am definitely not saying this.
True. Obv.
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When Olderer loses
Fed fans: meh he's old,
True. You think it's super noteworthy when a 31 year old Vak beats a 37 year old Fed?
True. Vak hasn't overtaken Fed. He may someday, it's possible, but that day has not happened.
The above argument you tried to make is such a fallacy, it's silly that people can even think it. You somehow think that it's contradictory for people to say that (A) when someone very old loses it's not a huge stain against them, and yet (B) when someone very old wins GS's it's still impressive.
Both of those things are obviously true. Anyone laughing at that should really just be laughing at their own poor logic.
And it's not bias for Fed/against Vak, the same things will be true when Vak is super old. For example, take the hyperbolic example of Vak being 50 years old and still playing on the Tour. The #1 player in the world at the time beats him. Is that a huge stain against Vak? Obviously not, that is super meh and to be expected, it does not diminish Vak's previous accomplishments, it's just incredible that Vak is even playing at that age. Now say that Vak somehow wins a GS at 50. Would that be an absurdly amazing accomplishment? Yes, of course! Are those two things contradictory or laughable sentiments? Of course not, they're just the truth!