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Rafa is the GOAT, butnahhhhh or maybe?

View Poll Results: Who will end up as the GOAT

Roger Federer

374 68.12%

Rafa Nadal

96 17.49%

Novak Djokovic

62 11.29%

Andy Murray

6 1.09%

Pete Sampras

2 0.36%

Roy Emerson

0 0%

Bjorn Borg

2 0.36%

Roder Laver

2 0.36%

John McEnroe

3 0.55%

Bill Tilden

2 0.36%

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01-27-2019 , 08:03 PM

#1751

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/thread, Vak Obv.

(I was team Nadal until this tournament)

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01-27-2019 , 09:07 PM

#1752

Wooders0n

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lol

It's not really that lol It's certainly >50%. He'll finish this year with at least 16 and have a pretty good chance at winning >1.5 per year the next few years. Throw in a random old man title or two later than that and its pretty easy to get to 75%.

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01-27-2019 , 10:13 PM

#1753

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Some Fed fans need to drop in and let us know how nervous they are about this Novak guy taking the crown.

Obviously Rafa is out.

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01-28-2019 , 12:18 AM

#1754

younguns87

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20 > 15

0% nervous. GOAT stay the GOAT

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01-28-2019 , 12:34 AM

#1755

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Still true:
In a large sample size, Novak has a winning record vs Rafa and vs Fed.

Fed has a losing record vs Novak and vs Rafa. lol Raja.

Obvs Rafa is up on Fed, down on Novak.

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01-28-2019 , 01:11 AM

#1756

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Guess you better getting hammering the bookies then. He’s not even near 40% to win another slam this year!

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Originally Posted by Feldman

Still true:
In a large sample size, Novak has a winning record vs Rafa and vs Fed.

Fed has a losing record vs Novak and vs Rafa. lol Raja.

Obvs Rafa is up on Fed, down on Novak.

Meh match ups are important but the most important factor.

Titles, consistency and longevity are.

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01-28-2019 , 09:45 PM

#1757

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Originally Posted by kingweed

Guess you better getting hammering the bookies then. He’s not even near 40% to win another slam this year!

Somebody gave you bad numbers.

ATM Djok is 29% at French, 34% at Wimbledon, and 38% at US.

Win 0: 29.1%
Win 1: 44.6%
Win 2: 22.6%
Win 3: 3.7%
Win 1+: 67.2%
Win 2+ 26.3%

His EV is 1.01, or 16 GS by EOY.

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01-29-2019 , 02:34 PM

#1758

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I meant to write not even near 50% to win 1. I posted the odds in the ATP thread fwiw

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01-29-2019 , 03:55 PM

#1759

Wooders0n

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Little known fact: Vak a lock to finish 19 with 17 slams

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01-29-2019 , 05:49 PM

#1760

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I got to go Fed/Djoke/Nadal as of now. Djokavic is a real live threat to catch him. Amazing era. How do three guys all win 15+ slams in a 15 year span? Okay, longevity. Gonna check out the list of "others" winning majors since 2003. Murray .... ?

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01-29-2019 , 06:03 PM

#1761

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Murray and Stan have 3 each.

Cilic and Del Po have the other two.

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01-29-2019 , 06:44 PM

#1762

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Originally Posted by kingweed

Murray and Stan have 3 each.

Cilic and Del Po have the other two.

Safin and Gaudio as well if we're going 2004 onwards.

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01-29-2019 , 07:41 PM

#1763

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Roddick too if you want to go since Federer's first:

20: Fed
17: Nadal
15: Djok
3: Stan, Murray
1: Roddick, Gaudio, Safin, Del Potro, Cilic

= 63, which is right because we're one short of a full 'cycle' because Fed started with a Wimbledon and we haven't had French yet.

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01-29-2019 , 07:46 PM

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Djoker gonna get another ~8 no problem

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01-29-2019 , 08:16 PM

#1765

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Originally Posted by kingweed

I meant to write not even near 50% to win 1. I posted the odds in the ATP thread fwiw

Sure.

I already posted the no-vig odds above so whatever.

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01-29-2019 , 11:47 PM

#1766

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I thought I knew tennis fairly well but legit have no idea who Gaudio is. Feels like I'm in an alternate universe.

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01-30-2019 , 03:51 AM

#1767

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Longest time between first and last slam singles win ... list of top 5 longest spans please??? Fed owning this, right?

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01-30-2019 , 04:49 AM

#1768

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Originally Posted by housenuts

I thought I knew tennis fairly well but legit have no idea who Gaudio is. Feels like I'm in an alternate universe.

From wiki: "He won eight singles titles and achieved a career-high ATP singles ranking of world No. 5 in April 2005. Gaudio's most significant title win came at the 2004 French Open, where he defeated fellow Argentine Guillermo Coria in five sets in the final."

Lol it used to be so easy to win slams haha. Poor dudes aged like 25-30

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01-30-2019 , 06:29 AM

#1769

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Coria was a beast on clay. He should have won that if he wasn't a nutcase.

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01-30-2019 , 09:01 AM

#1770

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Originally Posted by housenuts

I thought I knew tennis fairly well but legit have no idea who Gaudio is. Feels like I'm in an alternate universe.

lol same here.

that was his only GS final and he blew a 2-0 lead at the french. reminds me of Andrei Medvedev.

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01-30-2019 , 03:34 PM

#1771

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Longest time between first and last slam singles win ... list of top 5 longest spans please??? Fed owning this, right?

Found this, open era only:-

1st Roger Federer 2003–2018 (16)
2nd Rafael Nadal 2005–2018 (14)
3rd Pete Sampras 1990–2002 (13)
T4 Andre Agassi 1992–2003 (12), Boris Becker 1985–1996 (12), Novak Djokovic 2008–2019 (12)
7th Jimmy Connors 1974–1983 (10)

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01-30-2019 , 07:29 PM

#1772

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Originally Posted by kingweed

Why are we adding 1 to all of them? Surely we just want to know the length of the gap? You dont need to include both years. A guy who only won 1 slam has a 'gap' of 0, not 1. But that's semantics I guess.

Also, Agassi and Becker were both Wimbledon to AO, so its more like 10.5 years (Federer too though that's not relevant yet). Novak is AO to AO so its the full 11 so he should be outright 4th.