So just show up for the semis and everythings good? Rafa lost 1 set the entire tournament until the finals.

Fed/Novak was brilliant, yes. Think you Fed fanboys are forgetting that it took a tiebreak for Fed to win the 1st set. If Novak wins that he rolls in 4 easily.

Federer also would without dispute have the greatest career in tennis history if he wasn't a choker

1. You have been doing this for the ENTIRE thread
2. Yes, duh. Did you watch Novak at all this tournament? He did this all tournament. Same vs Dogpol and Tipsarevic

Novak also lost a set to TIPsaravic or whatever the hell his name is. And won a tiebreak in the 1st or would have been down 0-2.

Novak played really flat in early sets all tournament. Probably an end of year thing.

Could also be that he's just bored and challenging himself

probably the latter

The fact that Johnny Mac said Djok is the best he's ever seen says a lot too. It's not an easy thing to say, because you get people like kevin or tdarko or all the other Fed fans who go off the handle if you suggest a prime anyone is better than Federer. And Mac did it on a much bigger stage, and he did it as a player who himself has been in this discussion before. If it was close or he was exaggerating he'd prob just keep it to himself. He obviously believes Novak in prime is the greatest tennis player evar.

Props to Mac

Nadal also looked like he was taking Novak to the brink physically after the 3rd set. Just popped a pain killer then rolled the 4th.

Nadal is clearly Djok's toughest competition when Nadal is at full health and on his game

Regardless of the 5 match sample that will be brought up shortly

No one pushes Djok like Nadal does

If If If If If If If

Amazing.

Why do you keep thinking these things when no-one has said them? Point me to a post where someone has claimed today's Fed is a favourite over Novak.

Any surface? French Open 2011 says Hi, Novak played pretty damn good but he wasn't good enough that day. That match proved to the doubters that Fed can still hold his own even today.

I seriously think you are blinded by Novak's W/L record when it comes to his tennis this year. No-one is doubting he is playing out of his mind right now but people seem to think that his play is head and shoulders above anything we have ever witnessed which is just blatantly false. Recency bias strikes once more.

You think Nadal was on top of his game in the opening set and a half against Novak?

Tell me with a straight face Novak didn't play an awful first two sets vs Federer. It was laughable. It was one of those "OK, when is he going to turn it on?" type matches. Think everyone knew it was over when he started hitting the backhand bombs and Federer looked at him like they were in the Twilight Zone. Federer's choke was just icing on the cake to Djokovic fans.

You REALLY believe it was all Federer making him play like that? Did you watch Novak's other matches?

Show your work. Seriously.

wtf are you talking about he won in straight sets against Dogpol?

It took tips a tiebreaker in the quarters to finally take the first set of the tournament against Novak, really what are you talking about?

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fwiw, if I twisted arguments around like you said I would have gone with the 'Fed didn't have his A game' line pages ago and cited his 59 unforced errors he had to Novak's 35 and the fact that Fed had more winners. But those errors don't always come from Fed's fault but from Novak's great play.

I think Nadal ran crazy good with deep shots in the first two sets and still lost. But yeah, he was def playing at a level above current Federer, for sure.

Also, Johnny Mac called Novak the best he's seen. Response?

I edited to say played flat ealry vs Tipsa and Dogpol, which he did.

I meant he lost first two to Fed and played simiarly vs Dogpol, not lost first two

I don't think Novak's play is head and shoulders GOATish, you are putting words in my mouth.

I think it's all very close but think Novak in 2011 was better than Federer's best year. I just think some people won't consider anyone but Federer's peak

Novak went to a tiebreaker against Dogopolov in the 1st set (longest tiebreaker of the tournament) then won the 2nd and 3rd easily. Against TIPS- had tiebreakers in the 1st two.

Not crazy to say the man started slow all tournament.

It is if you are a Federer fan and want to think he can still win majors

You're right:
vs. Rafael Nadal 29 13 16 44.83%
vs. Roger Federer 24 10 14 41.67%

Response?

He's John McEnroe. That should about cover it. You know, they guy who exaggerates everything?

There were probably 50 of the greatest points in the history of tennis in that tournament alone according to that man.

Good God, I can't believe you went down that route.

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Edit:- Oh wait, I think John McEnroe has said that Federer is the GOAT so I guess this ends the thread. Glad that's settled.

lol

I will gladly bet that Nadal has a better head to head vs Djokovic than Federer does next year

friendly bet, not a big fan of long-term bets

Isnt the Masters coming up? Guess we'll see if Fed can not choke another away. butnahhhhhhhh he's too old unless he does....ultimate freeroll at this point.

Even when he loses it raises his GOAT status. Amazing really.

Can either of you at least admit that among the all-time greats in sports, Federer is one of the bigger chokers?

Think even the Nadal/Djokovic nuthuggers can agree that Fed has the most talent of all time.

Nadal's shots were way to short for nearly the entire match, he couldn't hit anything deep, everything was landing on the service box allowing Novak to move in and hit through the ball and control every point. This is not playing playing a level above what Federer played in the semi's. To put in perspective Novak had 51 unforced errors against Rafa but Rafa didn't have many winners - usually a good indicator of missed shots and not pressure. Makes sense, Novak was missing shots from fatigue, injury etc. and Novak didn't strike the ball well at all. The reason Rafa was in the game was Novak let him in some points with many errors in the match.

At least C-Vig is putting across decent arguments, you just spout of some nonsense that no-one really cares about. If you have nothing worthwhile to post then it's probably safer you don't post at all.

I'll openly admit that he has succumbed to the pressure on more than one occasion in the past number of years. I think Tiger might well eclipse him as the biggest choker tho in the coming years