lol, i got leveled. wow. nicely done btw.

According to popular opinion. He did some pretty intense research though.

I like the Jesus pick but I think Christianity would be an awful pick, if that makes sense. A lot of the awful behavior people commit in his name would actually appall him, and if you had his example to follow (and not a weird zombie / torture fetish) you would be better off than modern-day Christians, who are all too concerned with the kind of repression, divisiveness, and judgmentalism that Jesus fought against.

I think my PM sorta outlined my feelings more strongly, but the point is, i think hawkins is SOLID, but the reason he's not GREAT is i think what he brings is readily found elsewhere. and *possibly* (without revealing my hand so to speak) there is a person or thing that does this to a greater extent

He called sex a high variance pick too iirc.

All religion shouldn't, Christianity should. Not any particular type of Christianity. Not all the rituals, etc, necessarily. But the ideas behind it, specifically the stuff about monotheism, the holy trinity, your #4 overall pick dying at age 33 or whatever to save us from our sins, etc.

And then again, Christianity in it's present form is just an evolution of it's original form. The crusades, inquisitions, witch trials and racist conservative southerners are all just points along that evolution.

Arguably there isn't any difference. There are of course a handful of texts that talk about him that aren't included in the bible, which I would include for our purposes but:

Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this because it is all based on like an hour of internet research a few months back... afaik there isn't anything close to definitive evidence of his existence and the earliest "records" of his existence are from 35-50 years after his supposed death, like the gospels.

But if it's the fictional Jesus, they're basically the same thing because the church created what he is.

cool, but the problem for you is that you also will get Christians as a byproduct. Some are coo, others aren't.

I thought we were going to draft stuff like pillows or little puppies.

Agreed 100%, taking Jesus doesn't mean all my people have to be Christians. It just gives us a dude for everyone to look at and be like we should be like him in regards to ethics. I think he's a great centerpiece but I'm still going to have to draft well around him to avoid the pitfalls.

There is a HUGE difference.

Like honestly, your post made my jaw drop.

Not sure why this should be true. He's not going to be persecuted in my world and he'll have all the technology we have to today to keep him healthy. Also, if doesn't get persecuted and killed, the Christians might not have been so nutty.

i mean technically Christianity is all about neighborly good will and friendship. in practice tho, this doesn't really occur. (by and large) regardless, the pick of jesus does nearly go hand in hand w/ christianity, but obv he was going to get drafted high and i dont think he's bad value at all

fair enough, though considering untouchable was going to take physics, im glad i took hawking

im sure some upcoming picks will change my mind though. have no idea where im going with the next pick(s)

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Another point is that I'm not going back in time and transporting Jesus here who still thinks we should sacrifice goats or whatever ******ed **** they did back then. I'm getting Jesus in 2010 with an understanding of our world and the goodness that he had.

If I'm wrong about this then I probably don't understand the rules.

jesus is obv a much much different (and far superior) pick from Christianity

Ok, so you have the real, historical Jesus. The one that didn't walk on water, feed thousands with a loaf of bread, cure disease, or rise to heaven after this death.

Basically you have a chill hippie.

you're not wrong about it, but you're not really "getting" jesus, rather who and what jesus was is totally emphasized by your TuT world

oh, remember to post (after ZBT) your pick in the picks-only thread. and, pm whomever is next!

that's how i would interpret him too - but as far as progressive thinking for example - doesn't any elite scientist accomplish the same thing - even if he's not as famous?

I'm going to have so many chances to spam Jesus pics itt I think.

yeah, this is the reason the pick isn't fantastic, i dont think hawkings is particular unique aside from his handicap

For our purposes, what are the differences between the church's Jesus and the "real" one?

/edit ok lol you're just talking about his abilities to do magic? Not his personality or anything? I would still think of this as a subset of the Church's Jesus.