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08-15-2013 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
You cannot tell if he's going to have a great career off of not even 60 games in the bigs this year. He needs to work on several aspects- his base running (aggressive, yet out of control), defense (atrocious) , and cutting his strikeouts down (roughly 1:4 ABs). If he wants to have Adam Dunn like numbers, he'll need to go to the AL, and clog up the dh spot everyday and play the occasional 1B (he is 6'3").
comparing puig to adam dunn!? wow.

if puig wins the rookie of the year and proceeds to have another allstar worthy season next year, please never again post anything about baseball again.
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08-15-2013 , 04:26 PM
He's definitely fun to watch and the whole lineup is fun to watch. Those guys they got from the Red Sox are finally starting to pay off and add that to their rotation and it's just plain fun to watch.

I say this being a Yankees fan.
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08-15-2013 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wamp
No one does earnest bandwagon irrationality like Los Angeles. Hope you guys can get an NFL team soon.
we get it. LA is the city everyone loves to hate.

because everyone is jealous they dont live in LA.ldo

btw ive been a dodger fan since fernando mania days and i dont see what the bandwagon irrationality is. anyone who really watches baseball can see that puig is something special. if you dont see it then maybe its earnest hater irrationality.
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08-18-2013 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nih han
comparing puig to adam dunn!? wow.

if puig wins the rookie of the year and proceeds to have another allstar worthy season next year, please never again post anything about baseball again.
You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about.

See Puig's quality baserunning last night? Trying to tag on a fly ball to shallow CF? Great instincts.

But if you wanna talk rookie of the year, I have no problem doing so.

Jose Fernandez, should win the NL rookie of the year. He has the best numbers.

Hell I think Ryu from the dodgers has just as good of a shot as well.

But chances are they'll give it to Puig as they did Harper last year screwing Wade Miley, who posted quite the impressive numbers.

And btw, Adam Dunn has 434 HR, so that's not that bad of a comparison for someone who has a shot at the HOF.

I'm not saying Puig's a bad player, but come on. He's played 65 games in the bigs. Let's let the guy play more than 2 1/2 months and see how he finishes up.
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08-18-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
+1
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08-18-2013 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
+1
Feel free to debate.

In fact, Hanley Ramirez and Adrian Gonzalez get no publicity. If the dodgers win, it's Puig. And if they lose, it's Mattingly's fault.

Hence why the players win and the coaches lose phrase comes into play.
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08-18-2013 , 11:42 PM
too many haters...
puig's a f****n beast. Dodgers are 42-10 or smt like that since he's there.
he has a highlight throw or walk off every week.
He's the most exciting thing in baseball atm (with cabrera obv)

puig > harper
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08-19-2013 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
Puig will not finish even above .300 is my guess.
Since that post, Puig has hit .353.

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Originally Posted by EndoBird
You're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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08-19-2013 , 04:09 AM
Haha.

His average has dropped 17 points in the last 9 games.

I also did say that he'll probably finish around .330 thus negating my first claim.

Ya troll!
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08-19-2013 , 04:20 AM
I like how you talk about if they win, it's Puig and if they lose, it's Mattingly. Pretty sure that mentality has been gone for a while. Maybe it's just because I watch all the games, but most followers consider Gonzalez to be the team's MVP and Hanley their best hitter (duh).
Puig's been in the league how long? and he's gotten tons of criticism. Yes, his base running can improve. People don't think that will happen? I doubt he's stupid... He already got out of his slump and learned to not swing at everything.
All I know is that he brought the team together and they gained the chemistry they needed.
They're winning game after game after game, and isn't that all that matters? Nothing else really matters.

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08-19-2013 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by balancesto
I like how you talk about if they win, it's Puig and if they lose, it's Mattingly. Pretty sure that mentality has been gone for a while. Maybe it's just because I watch all the games, but most followers consider Gonzalez to be the team's MVP and Hanley their best hitter (duh).
Puig's been in the league how long? and he's gotten tons of criticism. Yes, his base running can improve. People don't think that will happen? I doubt he's stupid... He already got out of his slump and learned to not swing at everything.
All I know is that he brought the team together and they gained the chemistry they needed.
They're winning game after game after game, and isn't that all that matters? Nothing else really matters.

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Trust me, I'm not hating on the dodgers. I was a Mattingly fan and would love to see the Dodgers take it home this year, especially the way their rolling.

I know Gonzalez is their MVP, he offers protection as you can't pitch around Puig or Hanley. I think Mattingly even said a week or two ago that Gonzalez is their best player. You just don't hear about all their other studs as all their publicity goes towards Puig.

Watch sportscenter and their highlights of Puig. He was hosed on a fly ball to CF 2 nights ago on a bad baserunning mistake, we call those mental errors.

It's not only Puig though. You have a team of great players- Ryu, Greinke, Kershaw, and the newly acquired Wilson on the bump not to mention their talented hitters to correlate with their + pitching.

As for your tone, I was saying that in general coaches lose and the players win. That's for all sports.

It's not a matter if you're smart or stupid. I used to coach. Some of my best players were the 'stupid' ones. And by that those with a GPA hovering around 2.0. Baseball smarts is ideal. Limiting mental errors is a must. And for someone that has played baseball at a high level for 3+ years, they shouldn't be happening.
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08-19-2013 , 07:59 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/y...-lapses-081813

Not saying, I'm just saying.
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08-19-2013 , 08:12 AM
casual fanning off the charts itt
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08-19-2013 , 10:54 AM
My theory is that Puig was able to do whatever he wanted in the Cuba leagues and thought he could do it here too. He'll learm (or end up a DH I guess idk).
I however would agree there's too much hype around him. His ego is getting blown up by the day, and I don't think it will be good in the long run.
I know this isn't the thread exactly, but anything think there's any team that can stop them from winning the World Series? Unless they get injuries... And don't forget Matt Kemp will be back for the playoffs.

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08-19-2013 , 10:57 AM
of course there are teams that can stop them from winning the world series, the playoffs are a variance fest any team that makes it has non zero title equity
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08-19-2013 , 11:20 AM
Yes of course, but you don't make picks based on that...

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08-19-2013 , 11:22 AM
Wow this thread trying to turn a single into a triple.

I lol'd @adam dunn hof possibilities
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08-19-2013 , 11:58 AM
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Wow this thread trying to turn a single into a triple.
Puig wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
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08-19-2013 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by brandoncla
Wow this thread trying to turn a single into a triple.

I lol'd @adam dunn hof possibilities
500 HR will get you in. He's not that far away.

Even though he isn't even hitting his weight and strikes out twice a game.
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08-22-2013 , 08:13 AM
Puig makes throwing and base-running mistakes, has to be held back by Uribe from his teammates, shows up late to the park, by 45 minutes (OFP). Gets into it w an umpire on a terrible 3 pitch at bat. All within the last week. Hmmm...

S-T-ruggling. His BA has now dropped to .346, down 30 points in the last ten days from .376.

He roughly has ~144 ABs ending him around the 410 AB mark.

He'll need to go 31-144 (.215) to end the season at .300. Possible but not probable.

The more probable, he'll end at .330, 43-144 (.300).

My guess is he'll end up somewhere between .300-.330. It's still a great feat considering he's played more big league games than minor league and is only 22, although if you want to get on a debate over age -Harper's younger and is more polished, knowledgeable, etc. but that's a debate for another time.

His only problems are still defensive lapses as well as base running mistakes.

What wins in every post season? Pitching and defense. Always has and always will.

Lets hope that Puig's defense doesn't cost the dodgers a WS.
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08-22-2013 , 10:10 AM
lol
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08-22-2013 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
500 HR will get you in. He's not that far away.

Even though he isn't even hitting his weight and strikes out twice a game.
Adam Dunn is a stone lock not to make the HOF.
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08-22-2013 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mullen
Adam Dunn is a stone lock not to make the HOF.
At 33, he has a chance at getting to 600 if he stays healthy.

He's 41st all time in HRs too btw. But I forgot, you must have known this before making claims that support your views.
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08-22-2013 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
At 33, he has a chance at getting to 600 if he stays healthy.

He's 41st all time in HRs too btw. But I forgot, you must have known this before making claims that support your views.
Even with 600 HRs he probably won't make it. He will be found short by both the old guard (horrible BA, no major awards, not "feared" like Jim Rice) and the new guard (atrocious D, never had a season worth more than 3.5 WARP).
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08-22-2013 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by EndoBird
At 33, he has a chance at getting to 600 if he stays healthy.

He's 41st all time in HRs too btw. But I forgot, you must have known this before making claims that support your views.
I know how many home runs Adam Dunn has. He's just behind Jason Giambi lifetime.

He's not a Hall of Fame player, assuming his current career trajectory. He has an immeasurably small chance of making the HOF. I don't know why you think 500 HRs or even 600 for a player like Dunn) guarantees induction post steroid era
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