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Old 11-18-2009, 04:25 AM   #1701
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Re: Professional Wrestling Promotion Draft

I'm not gonna like post everything I disagree with because that took a ton of effort and is pretty awesome, but Rhodes and HBK having the same drawing power is way off.

EDIT: Criminal underrating of Lawler. 5 in-ring? He was rock solid when he was in his prime. Also he has to be a 10 in mic skills as nobody is better. Lawler has to be a 10 in longevity also as he's been around for 40 years and the league is only 30.

How is Sting a 7 in longevity and Andre is an 8?
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:28 AM   #1702
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You really think Lawler is on par mic-wise with the guys I gave 10s? I disagree.

Andre wrestled a lot longer than you think. From early-70s through late 80s. ... Although Sting is 85 to now, isn't he? Yeah there will be some inconsistencies.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:30 AM   #1703
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Yeah, Thesz and Lawler not being 10's in longevity is just sloppy. In fact the only argument against Lawler being a 10 is because Thesz lasted so much longer. Thesz wrestled his first match at 16 and his last match at 74.

Still interesting good stuff and looking over everything though.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:30 AM   #1704
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And which way is Rhodes/HBK drawing power off? I'm guessing it's Rhodes drawing higher because there's a reason HBK has not had a long title reign since he's been back in WWE.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:31 AM   #1705
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Yeah I really do think Jerry is that good with the mic. He also can double as an announcer which has to help. I mean you drafted JR in the third round to show the importance of a good announcer and Lawler could be a hof announcer without even considering his wrestling.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:31 AM   #1706
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The Thesz/Lawler longevity rankings changes to 10s (I agree, sloppy) didn't change the overall order.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:32 AM   #1707
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zFAi-ImFIU
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:32 AM   #1708
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Yeah I really do think Jerry is that good with the mic. He also can double as an announcer which has to help. I mean you drafted JR in the third round to show the importance of a good announcer and Lawler could be a hof announcer without even considering his wrestling.
I was thinking about promo ability with mic work. I consider promos and announcing to be slightly different skill sets. I agree Lawler is an added asset in the booth.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:32 AM   #1709
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Below is the video of Lawler I was definitely going to post if we took him, Lawler is absolutely terrific on the mic. I don't have an issue with having him as a 9, but anything lower than that would just be wrong.

Lawler vs Goldust with pre-match promo
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:33 AM   #1710
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Savage could probably be higher on the mic too. The guy just cracks me up.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:33 AM   #1711
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Eh, I think Lawler as an 8 is OK. It's not like that's a terrible slight.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:34 AM   #1712
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Below is the video of Lawler I was definitely going to post if we took him, Lawler is absolutely terrific on the mic. I don't have an issue with having him as a 9, but anything lower than that would just be wrong.

Lawler vs Goldust with pre-match promo
omgggg how did they get away with this
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:35 AM   #1713
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Anyway I've done my part to generate discussion and enjoy the alarm ringing way too soon for my liking.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:36 AM   #1714
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good job, I wonder if I'll have the energy to maybe do something similar
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:38 AM   #1715
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Also, Punk is way better on the mic than Steamboat, Steamboat is definitely below average, which I assume means he should be below a 5. I'd probably put Punk as a 7 and Steamboat as a 3. Steamboat was decent with Jericho working on his promos earlier this year, but his body of work is pretty poor IMO.

Orton isn't an 8 on the mic I don't think, pretty similar to Punk IMO, yeah if Benoit is a 3 on the mic so should Steamboat I think that's fine. Benoit wrestled for 23 years, that's got to be higher than a 6 in longevity.

Longevity seems pretty easy to make objective, but if a wrestler's career isn't over you have to estimate how long his average career from that point forward would be. e.g. HHH has been active for 18 years and it looks near a lock he'll make the 20 year mark, and there's an outside chance he'll make it to 25 years so I'd make him an 8 for now.

10) 30 year career (Flair, Lawler, Thesz)
9) 25 year career (Hogan, Michaels, Undertaker)
8) 20 year career (Jericho, DiBiase, HHH*, Edge*)
7) 18 year career (Eddie Guerrero)
6) 15 year career (Rick Rude)
5) 12 year career (Owen Hart, Batista, Kurt Angle*)
4) 10 year career (The Rock, John Cena*)
3) 8 year career (Bill Goldberg, Rico Constantino)
2) 5 year career (Brock Lesnar)
1) 3 year career (Christopher Nowinski)

* Indicates they haven't actually reached that many years but seem likely to.

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Old 11-18-2009, 04:56 AM   #1716
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Why does Batista have a higher longevity than Nash? Or the same one as Foley? Could probably find more but my point is I think his is a little high.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:58 AM   #1717
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Holy UNDRAFTEDs in that list ST.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:58 AM   #1718
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Holy UNDRAFTED in that list ST.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:59 AM   #1719
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just want to show a little support to dnky, steamboat is an awesome pick.
yep, for as bad as CMP was, Steamboat totally redeemed him.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:59 AM   #1720
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Na go ahead and look higher up the list. They're right next to each other.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:59 AM   #1721
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Re: Professional Wrestling Promotion Draft

I like Nowinski. I think I heard he's doing a lot of good work researching effects of wrestling on the brain.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:01 AM   #1722
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I like Nowinski. I think I heard he's doing a lot of good work researching effects of wrestling on the brain.
More than that. I read an article on SI.com about him about a month or a month and a half ago. The organization he's in is working w/ NFL types now.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:03 AM   #1723
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Na go ahead and look higher up the list. They're right next to each other.
You're putting way more attention on them than my innocuous mention.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:07 AM   #1724
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You're putting way more attention on them than my innocuous mention.
Only cause I don't think you realized that they were on there and still undrafted.

No worries, just trying to maintain the spirit of the draft.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:19 AM   #1725
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Re: Professional Wrestling Promotion Draft

Orton getting an 8 in mic skills is way off IMO, he's subpar in that department I would say, some of the promos he delivers are legitimately cringe-worthy....no chance he's better on the mic then Razor Ramon for instance
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