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Old 11-18-2009, 12:27 AM   #1476
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:27 AM   #1477
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Four years of Warrior is better than 10-15 years of a lot of other guys though.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:27 AM   #1478
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both reasons make sence to me.

that said, if nozecandy has plans for him, and is able to draft guys in later rounds to complement him, more power. this is the same type agruement every got their panties in a bunch after my cm punk pick.
Exactly.

And my point with your CM Punk pick still stands. I'd rather have a super popular guy who can't wrestle worth a ****, than a super awesome wrestler who isn't that popular because the vast majority of wrestling fans will probably never know the difference.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:27 AM   #1479
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he was the AWA champion on the episode they are showing nor on espn classic.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:28 AM   #1480
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You do realize the a really big % of the wrestling fan contingent is made up of kids and ...not extremely educated people right? This isn't a buncha movie critics here bro. They aren't sitting around sipping Cabernet talking about the technical precision of a headlock or something. They're screaming because Warriors music just came on and he won a match in 30 seconds against UnNamed.
Idk if I was ambigious in my original post, but your response is assuming I made the exact opposite point I made. Most people don't consciously care about how well movies are shot or if wrestlers are good workers. That doesn't mean that it's irrelevant in determining how valuable a wrestler is, because people are more likely to be entertained by more skilled wrestlers even if they don't explicitly know why they prefer one to the other.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:29 AM   #1481
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So if people are more likely to be entertained by more skilled wrestlers, yet were still more entertained by Warrior than those guys, what does that say?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:29 AM   #1482
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I really got away from my initial argument. I really had no idea whether Warrior is a bad pick because of longevity, but I don't think he shouldn't be drafted just because he wasn't a good technical wrestler.

Also, FWIW. If you were competing against a bunch of other feds, having Warrior for 3 years would be pretty huge for your initial popularity.
That's not what anyone's arguing though. He doesn't have any ability as a pro wrestler outside of being huge. He didn't have an impressive moveset, he didn't have any sense of psychology, he can't talk on the mic. His entire skillset is being big and looking cool. There are plenty of guys with those attributes with other skills. They just weren't fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time.

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Dude the 30 year time frame was just a way of saying you get their careers. Nobody is going to have anyone left in year 30 if it's as literal as you make it.
Well, Lou Thesz will still be around. Flair. Hogan, arguably. Funk. Etc.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:29 AM   #1483
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Honestly, why would I be fine with Dusty being picked if I was a hardcore I WANT GUYS TO FULLY TECHINICAL WRESTLE guy. obviously there are guys who aren't the greatest technical wrestlers that have drawn big business. The thing is, with teh guys that aren't the best in ring wrestlers, they have carried their success over a much longer period of time, and have done it in a couple of different promotions(granted the territorial days kind of helped this), so one can deduce that they'd be able to repeat this success in our own promotion
I've just been replying to your posts bro. A bunch of them centered around how bad he was in the ring/mic, so that's what I replied to.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:30 AM   #1484
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So if people are more likely to be entertained by more skilled wrestlers, yet were still more entertained by Warrior than those guys, what does that say?
Did the Warrior entertain you in his WCW run?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:30 AM   #1485
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That doesn't mean that it's irrelevant in determining how valuable a wrestler is, because people are more likely to be entertained by more skilled wrestlers even if they don't explicitly know why they prefer one to the other.
I don't think that's entirely true. Aesthetically pleasing wrestling != skilled wrestling. Plus, wrestling announcers and marketing generally dominate the fans opinions of who is skilled or not by referring to certain wrestlers as "technical specialists" even if they're not.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:31 AM   #1486
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So if people are more likely to be entertained by more skilled wrestlers, yet were still more entertained by Warrior than those guys, what does that say?
That he got a huge push from Vince.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:31 AM   #1487
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You're supposed to build for 30 years. What do you do with the other 27?
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right, but remember, we are draftring for a 30 year period, so we want longer primes as drawing talents. Warrior having what, 2-4 years as a drawing talent doesn't mean a second round pick.

I don't like this argument. If you don't assume a long career in this draft for guys like the Ultimate Warrior, then it's not fair to assume a long career for young stars like CM Punk.

I'm also not assuming that wrestlers like Eddie Guerrero die.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:31 AM   #1488
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His entire skillset is being big and looking cool. There are plenty of guys with those attributes with other skills. They just weren't fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time.
I have no idea what this means. Of course there are other guys this *could* have happened to, but it didn't.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:32 AM   #1489
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I don't think that's entirely true. Aesthetically pleasing wrestling != skilled wrestling. Plus, wrestling announcers and marketing generally dominate the fans opinions of who is skilled or not by referring to certain wrestlers as "technical specialists" even if they're not.
A skilled wrestler is more likely to have the ability to fight in aesthetically pleasing way.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:33 AM   #1490
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Exactly.

And my point with your CM Punk pick still stands. I'd rather have a super popular guy who can't wrestle worth a ****, than a super awesome wrestler who isn't that popular because the vast majority of wrestling fans will probably never know the difference.
so someone who has main evented several ppvs this year is what you consider not popular.

maybe with people how has not watched a single episode of smackdown in the last year. but after the series of matches he has had in the last 6 months, i doubt that would be the case.

i went to a smackdown taping with my 9 year old cousin in august. the loudest pop of the night was the crowd booing punk.

that is the sign of a popular wrestler.

(its damn hard writing without giving anything away to make your point.)
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:33 AM   #1491
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A skilled wrestler is more likely to have the ability to fight in aesthetically pleasing way.
I dunno. Warrior sprinting into the ring, knocking people down, body slamming people and jumping around sure did seem to please me when I was a kid.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:33 AM   #1492
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I think we should drop the Warrior discussion since nobody is really gonna budge. Let's hear some opinions on who's got the best pairing through two.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:34 AM   #1493
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I have no idea what this means. Of course there are other guys this *could* have happened to, but it didn't.
Are people really going to be this results orientated on a poker message board? I've already made the point numerous times. You can take Sting and insert him in as the Ultimate Warrior and he'd have the same or better success. How many people could you take and insert them in Ric Flair's role and have the same sort of success Flair did? Not many, and the guys you could do it with are all extremely talented.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:34 AM   #1494
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Pudge is absolutely right re: skilled wrestlers. Especially in today's WWE, nobody gets to the top unless they're at least adequate in the ring. It's also a big deal in terms of safety of the other wrestlers.

Just look at someone like The Great Khali (he won't get drafted I assume). They gave him a big push etc but in today's WWE he had no chance to get over and now is basically a sideshow.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:35 AM   #1495
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Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

I was planning on drafting the Great Khali and posting the epic gif as my writeup.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:35 AM   #1496
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Let's hear some opinions on who's got the best pairing through two.
I like to have a poll for that. However, I think we should wait for the next four picks.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:36 AM   #1497
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A skilled wrestler is more likely to have the ability to fight in aesthetically pleasing way.
No. No. No. What things in wrestling pump up the crowd most? The Russian leg sweep and a spinning heel kick?

No, it's a back body drop, a low blow, and getting on top of a guy in the corner and punching him ten times in a row. Wow, TONS OF SKILL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:36 AM   #1498
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Are people really going to be this results orientated on a poker message board? I've already made the point numerous times. You can take Sting and insert him in as the Ultimate Warrior and he'd have the same or better success. How many people could you take and insert them in Ric Flair's role and have the same sort of success Flair did? Not many, and the guys you could do it with are all extremely talented.
I still have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't care how many people you can stick here or there or whatever.

All that matters is that they pushed Warrior, he became ****ing huge, and he's available to be drafted here.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:38 AM   #1499
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Nobody is going to have anyone left in year 30 if it's as literal as you make it.
That's just not true at all. Now only a few guys regularly wrestle into their 50's, but quite a few guys stay in the business and provide many years of value beyond their five year peak or whatever. Warrior and Goldberg are not such guys. Lawler, Flair, Thesz, Rhodes, Funk, Race, Undertaker, Michaels, and Sammartino are organizational bread and butter.

Jericho and HHH are getting very close to that status too.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:39 AM   #1500
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Hard to have an early leader after only two picks .. but the Hart/Edge combo is a great start IMO.
The "American Dream" and the USA Olympic hero Kurt Angle is an interesting start.
The slow formation of the Clique with HHH/Hall has a locker room problem all of the sudden.
And the thoughts of CM Punk v Steamboat in their primes makes me want to tune in
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