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Old 11-18-2009, 12:01 AM   #1426
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Re: Professional Wrestling Promotion Draft

I love the painting of McMahon like a business saint just to make the Warrior look crazy and ******ed for disputing with him. Dude has been shady as hell for a long time.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #1427
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Race is a solid pick, although he wouldn't fit the plan Wrane and I have. He's not the most charismatic guy ever, but he is a badass.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #1428
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Race was on our shortlist just because he was so good and legendary, but I just can't stand looking at his mug.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #1429
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flair is a reach here imo
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yea flair is not that good. His whole career he has looked old, Flair and the four horseman bored me to death.
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flair is a reach because there were several people available at the time of pick, a number of which are still available, who have better records at carrying an organisation - particularly during periods when wrestling has been more popular
my mistake. I should've have said, lol at the couple of people that said this
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:03 AM   #1430
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The recent discussion is highlighting what I was afraid this draft would become: people who feel its best to build their federations to make money vs. those that feel its best to feel it with great wrestlers.

Either way, I don't understand the logic of calling Goldberg or Warrior "bad" picks.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:04 AM   #1431
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I can't wait to get home, get my notes caught up and start thinking through this next pick. I have a couple ideas I like.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:04 AM   #1432
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The recent discussion is highlighting what I was afraid this draft would become: people who feel its best to build their federations to make money vs. those that feel its best to feel it with great wrestlers.
The hollywood draft was the exact same thing
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:04 AM   #1433
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I'll disagree with the Goldberg/Warrior comparison in that Goldberg always came off as somewhat believable, especially in a wrestling environment that was increasingly unbelievable. While Goldberg did get pushed too far too fast, he had a hell of a lot more talent then the dolt Jim Hellwig. Goldberg at least understood somewhat doing a job and putting someone over, Ultimate Warrior had/has zero concept of that function
Dude, the Warrior is from Parts Unknown and got the Powers of the Warrior given to him by the gods above. What's not to believe about that.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:05 AM   #1434
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I love the drunken ramblings where you alternate referring to him by his ring and real names.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:05 AM   #1435
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The recent discussion is highlighting what I was afraid this draft would become: people who feel its best to build their federations to make money vs. those that feel its best to feel it with great wrestlers.

Either way, I don't understand the logic of calling Goldberg or Warrior "bad" picks.
Warrior more than than Goldberg here... but what is he going to do when Warrior no longer feels like wrestling and starts no-showing events?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:05 AM   #1436
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This round has been really interesting to me, in that a lot of guys I liked but thought would slip a little bit and be great value, instead are going earlier than I expected because everyone else (or a lot of people) felt the way I did. This includes Perfect, Funk, Piper (who I wish I had pushed for), Roberts (although I think he went a little too early, but I still love him), Steamboat (who I was pushing for our second-rounder), Vader and Dusty (great great pick there). Meanwhile, a guy like Edge who I thought would go earlier actually slipped and became a value pick, and there's a couple other guys like that as well. It's been interesting.
i tried pm'ing thedeezy and kdawg to trade up to the first pick in the 2nd round yesterday, not knowing that you and wrane allready did that. i was trying to move up to get steamboat. i guess i got REALLY lucky he fell to me.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:05 AM   #1437
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I mean, if you had Warrior...you could have him put on a <5 minute match every night. As long as he sprinted into the ring, jerked the ropes around, jumped off some stuff, slammed a few people and flexed his muscles, the majority of fans would never even know the difference.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:05 AM   #1438
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Then why was he one of the biggest superstars in the history of wrestling? How come everyone I knew had Ultimate Warrior gear and he was their favorite wrestler? That nostalgia is there for a reason. The Warrior has made the WWF more inflation adjusted money than most guys will make them in 20 years.

HE'S NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, its a marketing thing with him. Vince has done this over the years and is why Vince has been one of the few bookers to have as long of a tenure as he has had (yes being the son and owner has helped)

I really wish I could break the code of not naming undrafted guys as I can easily rattle off a ton of guys that have drawn big houses over the years relative to the finances of the times. Hell, I'd even ignore Japan and focus on Mexico/USA/Canada. Like MIkey put, if Sting(his blade runners teammate) would've gone to Vince, Vince would've made Sting absolutely massive, and Sting had "it". The Ultimate Warrior completely lacked "it". Hell, I'd even say that John Cena has way more "it" then Jim Hellwig


edit: I'm horribly frustrated that I can't name the guy I want to name, as he's been insanely ignored in this draft

double edit: okay, finally Harley Race got picked. How on earth has he lasted this long when the Warrior got picked. He's the guy I was lobbying for deezy and I to pic with our second pick, but he wouldn't neccessarily work well with Eddie
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:06 AM   #1439
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Thoughts on pairing Sting and Lawler? I think they work really well together.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:06 AM   #1440
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i tried pm'ing thedeezy and kdawg to trade up to the first pick in the 2nd round yesterday, not knowing that you and wrane allready did that. i was trying to move up to get steamboat. i guess i got REALLY lucky he fell to me.
I like Steamboat more than Benoit as a babyface (which is what I wanted to pair with Orton) but I conceded the point. Truth is, had I been thinking correctly I would have pushed for Piper in that spot big-time.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:07 AM   #1441
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Warrior more than than Goldberg here... but what is he going to do when Warrior no longer feels like wrestling and starts no-showing events?
You could pay him the money he wants, in theory.

You could also not believe every single word that comes out of Vinces mouth too. Since...ya know...he's not exactly the most honest guy on the planet.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #1442
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You could pay him the money he wants, in theory.

You could also not believe every single word that comes out of Vinces mouth too. Since...ya know...he's not exactly the most honest guy on the planet.
But Warrior really is crazy. I guarantee Vince would never get rid of someone who makes a ton of money for him unless the headache is just too big. He's pretty clearly a damn good business man.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #1443
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Who's on the clock?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #1444
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HE'S NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, its a marketing thing with him. Vince has done this over the years and is why Vince has been one of the few bookers to have as long of a tenure as he has had (yes being the son and owner has helped)

I really wish I could break the code of not naming undrafted guys as I can easily rattle off a ton of guys that have drawn big houses over the years relative to the finances of the times. Hell, I'd even ignore Japan and focus on Mexico/USA/Canada. Like MIkey put, if Sting(his blade runners teammate) would've gone to Vince, Vince would've made Sting absolutely massive, and Sting had "it". The Ultimate Warrior completely lacked "it". Hell, I'd even say that John Cena has way more "it" then Jim Hellwig


edit: I'm horribly frustrated that I can't name the guy I want to name, as he's been insanely ignored in this draft
+1 to the Sting stuff

The reason I like the Warrior more than a bunch of less-famous, technically superior guys, is that you'll be able to get guys like that in every round. You aren't going to get guys that were able to become as famous as the Warrior was (even if Vince is to blame).
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #1445
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classic awa on espn classic now.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #1446
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Goldberg was a great pick, people rag on his in-ring ability but he was just a human wrecking ball anyway....humongous clothesline, massive spear, and Jackhammer were good enough for me...I agree that he just had the "it" factor...he was just a believable intimidating dude, Goldberg was great.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:10 AM   #1447
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Who's on the clock?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:11 AM   #1448
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classic awa on espn classic now.
HENNIG ON NOW.

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Old 11-18-2009, 12:11 AM   #1449
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I like the Goldberg pick a lot more than I like the Warrior pick. I don't like either a ton, but that's personal bias (I'm a workrate fan).

EDIT: And yes I'm having the money-making vs. fun to watch for me internal debate. Wrane and I may "lose" this draft but I don't think I care.

EDIT EDIT: That's a lie, I care. But I'll get over it.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:11 AM   #1450
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You act like everyone Vince pushes becomes popular and that he picks people at random to do receive them. The facts that he was picked for a push and became a huge star both speak to you underselling him. I'm sorry he can pull off a double arm bar back dragon super sleeper hold slammer submission off the top rope into the Spanish announcer's table like some dude who totally destroyed the underground Tokyo wrestling circuit in the 70s.
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