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Old 11-17-2009, 07:54 PM   #1176
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Re: Professional Wrestling Promotion Draft

Obv. not what I expected either but you just wafflecrushed like everybody who picked 1-10.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1177
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Steamboat is a great pick. Possibly the best worker there ever was (US knowledge only over here) and was still better than the majority of the wwe roster when he came back recently.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1178
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picking punk #1 is because he is gonne be the cornerstone to my fed. he is great as both heel and face. in ring and on mic.

steamboat is imo, the most underrated wrestler in history. the man had 3 5star matches in a 1 year period. he was in the match of the year twice. but he was only world champion once. that is a travisty to me.
My favourite wrestler as a kid. I didn't think/know that anyone else held him in very high regard.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1179
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lol @ people hating on the cm punk pick (especially the people who dont even watch wrestling these days) but not on RVD. that was the worst pick so far imo, and im not sure its even close.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1180
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Yeah, I definitely think there's a huge disconnect here between the way Cena's presented in WWE and what he could be if he was a main event star that was booked intelligently. I mean I actually stopped watching WWE altogether largely because of Cena so I can sympathize with all the people saying he sucks in the ring/isn't that good on the mic, etc., because it's all true in modern-day WWE given the way he's booked.

I think we've seen enough of him from the years before he got locked into that awful character though to see that he definitely has the potential to be a transcendent upper-level star that's a huge asset to any promotion.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1181
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damnit, I was taking Steamboat. Nice pick...I'll start on my writeup now...
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 PM   #1182
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I think it's a great combination of incredible wrestling skills with fairly high recognition. Not much on the mic, but his skill more than makes up for it.
ftr, he does have good mic skills. not great, but i saw him(yea, in roh) in the middle of a feud with cm punk. the two of them had some very good verbal exchanges.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:57 PM   #1183
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Wow guess I was an idiot for thinking I wouldn't have to trade up to get Steamboat.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:57 PM   #1184
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Where can I find ratings of these 5 star matches?
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:57 PM   #1185
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btw, my back up pick was another criminally under rated wrestler. unfortunatly, i wont be picking him now, since it does not make sence for my roster.

but i would not have been disappointed with him.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:58 PM   #1186
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I still don't really get why the Punk pick got so much hate. He is already like the #1 reason to watch WWE right now and has a huge future in the company. And there's enough smarks in this that I don't think he would have (or should have) fallen into the second round.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:59 PM   #1187
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Where can I find ratings of these 5 star matches?
ratings my highly respected wrestling writer, Dave Meltzer

every match listed here

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All Japan Pro Wrestling

* Bruiser Brody & Stan Hansen vs. Dory Funk, Jr. & Terry Funk - December 8, 1984
* Tiger Mask II vs. Kuniaki Kobayashi - March 9, 1985
* Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Genichiro Tenryu - June 5, 1989
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Jumbo Tsuruta - June 8, 1990
* Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue, & Masanobu Fuchi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada, & Kenta Kobashi - October 19, 1990
* Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada, & Kenta Kobashi vs. Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue, & Masanobu Fuchi - April 20, 1991
* Jumbo Tsuruta, Masanobu Fuchi, & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, & Toshiaki Kawada - May 22, 1992
* Dan Kroffat & Doug Furnas vs. Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi - May 25, 1992
* Masanobu Fuchi & Yoshinari Ogawa vs. Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi - July 5, 1992
* Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi - April 14, 1993
* Toshiaki Kawada, Akira Taue, & Yoshinari Ogawa vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, & Jun Akiyama- July 2, 1993
* Stan Hansen vs. Kenta Kobashi - July 29, 1993
* Steve Williams vs. Kenta Kobashi - August 31, 1993
* Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi - December 3, 1993
* Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, & Giant Baba vs. Masanobu Fuchi, Toshiaki Kawada, & Akira Taue - February 13, 1994
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue - May 21, 1994
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada - June 3, 1994
* Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada - January 19, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue - January 24, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams & Johnny Ace - March 4, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue - April 15, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue - June 9, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi & Satoru Asako vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue & Tamon Honda - June 30, 1995
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue - May 23, 1996
* Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs. Steve Williams & Johnny Ace - June 7, 1996
* Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama - December 6, 1996
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada - June 6, 1997
* Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama - December 5, 1997
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi - October 31, 1998
* Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi - June 11, 1999
* Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs. Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa - October 23, 1999

[edit] All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling

* Manami Toyota vs. Kyoko Inoue - May 18, 1992
* Manami Toyota vs. Toshiyo Yamada - August 15, 1992
* Akira Hokuto vs. Shinobu Kandori - April 2, 1993
* Kyoko Inoue & Takako Inoue vs. Cutie Suzuki & Mayumi Ozaki - April 2, 1993
* Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs. Dynamite Kansai & Mayumi Ozaki - April 11, 1993
* Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs. Dynamite Kansai & Mayumi Ozaki - December 6, 1993
* Manami Toyota vs. Kyoko Inoue - August 24, 1994
* Manami Toyota vs. Aja Kong - November 20, 1994

[edit] Asistencia Asesoría y Administración

* Los Gringos Locos (Eddie Guerrero and Art Barr) vs. El Hijo del Santo & Octagón (hair vs. masks; 2-out-of-3 falls under elimination rules for each fall) – When Worlds Collide, November 6, 1994

[edit] Japan Women's Pro Wrestling

* Dynamite Kansai, Cutie Suzuki, Mayumi Ozaki, & Hikari Fukuoka vs. Aja Kong, Sakie Hasegawa, Kyoko Inoue, & Takako Inoue - July 31, 1993

[edit] National Wrestling Alliance/World Championship Wrestling

* The Sheepherders vs. The Fantastics (Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers) - Crockett Cup Tournament, April 19, 1986
* Ric Flair vs. Barry Windham - Crockett Cup Tournament, April 11, 1987
* Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair - Chi-Town Rumble, February 20, 1989
* Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair (2/3 falls) - Clash of the Champions VI, April 2, 1989
* Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - WrestleWar, May 7, 1989
* Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk ("I Quit" match) - Clash of the Champions IX, November 15, 1989
* Ric Flair, Larry Zbyszko, Barry Windham, & Sid Vicious vs. Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick Steiner, & Scott Steiner (WarGames match) - WrestleWar, February 24, 1991
* Sting, Nikita Koloff, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, & Dustin Rhodes vs. Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton, & Larry Zbyszko (WarGames match)- WrestleWar, May 17, 1992

[edit] New Japan Pro Wrestling

* Tiger Mask I vs. Dynamite Kid - April 21, 1983
* Jushin Liger vs. El Samurai - Best of the Super Juniors finals, May 9th, 1992
* Wild Pegasus vs. Great Sasuke - Super J Cup, April 16, 1994
* Jushin Liger vs. Great Sasuke - July 8, 1994
* El Samurai vs. Koji Kanemoto - Best of the Super Juniors finals, June 5, 1997

[edit] Pro Wrestling Noah

* Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa - March 1, 2003
* Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama - July 10, 2004

[edit] Ring of Honor

* Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk - October 16, 2004
* Samoa Joe vs. Kenta Kobashi - October 1, 2005
* Dragon Kid, Genki Horiguchi, & Ryo Saito vs. CIMA, Naruki Doi, & Masato Yoshino - March 31, 2006 (Presented as a Dragon Gate production)

[edit] Total Nonstop Action Wrestling

* A.J. Styles vs. Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels – TNA Unbreakable, September 11, 2005

[edit] Universal Wrestling Federation

* Kazuo Yamazaki vs. Nobuhiko Takada - December 5, 1984

[edit] World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment

* Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon (Ladder match) – WrestleMania X, March 20, 1994
* Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (Cage match) – SummerSlam, August 29, 1994
* Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin (Submission match) – WrestleMania 13, March 23, 1997
* Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (Hell in a Cell match) – Badd Blood, October 5, 1997
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:00 PM   #1188
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I am beyond disappointed that WWE is doing nothing with Punk right now. I think they drastically need him in a feature role on Smackdown. He is gold on the mic and he/Jericho are the only reasons to watch WWE right now (since they other two I enjoy are nowhere to be found...one is on the DL, other is working for the red-headed stepchild of the WWE)
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:00 PM   #1189
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And Cena is one of the biggest stars ever. No joke. If you dispute that, you're just a Cena hater.

Cena isn't one of the biggest stars ever. Making that statement shows blinders being on. I have zero doubt that when his career is over and when people reflect on it, he won't be considered in the top tier of all time greats. That list will include guys who aren't the best workers, but bring more then Cena does

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I don't disagree with you that Cena is shoved down our throats currently (hence I'm a Cena hater). The comparisons I made with Cena and HHH being shoved were more about their way up to the top. I really believed that Cena made it on his own to become a top level star.

As far as fans booing him, whether they like him or not he still has the ability to evoke emotion out of people, and those people are paying money to see him. They care about him one way or another. If he walks out to the ring and everyone is on their feet spewing venom at him that's a good thing. The worst thing that can happen to a wrestler is when they come out and fans just sit on their asses and don't care about you one way or another.
Cena was shoved down our throats from the begining. Once Vince fully decided to go with him, he got the IC belt fairly fast and moved his way up the card in a lightning manner.

Fans were booing him on his first reign because they didn't want to see him with the belt, and he was being pushed as a face. Remember all of the Cena Sucks chants from the crowd, that was because they saw through his being the champ. The emotion was because they hated who Vince was shoving down our throats. Sure, its heat, but its not the good kind of negative heat. Honestly, if he hadn't gotten injured shortly after his first reign came to an end, and he would've gotten the belt back like planned, I could've imagined a WCW-like problem on Vince's hands.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:01 PM   #1190
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Just caught up on the whole thread I'll post my quick cliff notes

Great Picks
Jericho: He's just awesome, incredibly versatile, great on the mic, can be face or heel etc.
Cena: He's a huge draw, has been the biggest name in the WWE for years. Kids all around America wear clothes with his name on it.
Andre the Giant: Best pick of the draft should have been top 5. He's such a legend, my mother knows who Andre the Giant is, he was bigger than wrestling.
Bruno Sammartino: Sick value, never saw him wrestle but from everything I've heard about him it seems great.

Bad Picks
CM Punk: Simply an awful pick, you could have taken him in the second round. There is one current WWE star who is much better on the mic, and probably only a little worse in the ring who is still avaible. I think Punk has been great as a heel lately but 12th overall is crazy.
Nash/Diesel: There are better big men.He was never that good, there are a lot of undrafted wrestlers who really are not that different from him. If you wanted a big man Andre is so much better.
RVD: He's good and I like him but he's simply way too high (no pun intended.) Lots of better guys available.

Everything else ranges from like 6-8/10.

Also 100% down to be a judge if possible.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:02 PM   #1191
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lol @ people hating on the cm punk pick (especially the people who dont even watch wrestling these days) but not on RVD. that was the worst pick so far imo, and im not sure its even close.
I still think that when you're drafting the guy that you're planning on making your top face, the most important thing is to have someone that can singlehandedly get himself over and draw in the fans on his own. Despite never getting the real big push in WWF/WWE, RVD was nuclear-level over in late 2002 even moreso than guys like HHH/Jericho/Angle at their peaks. He was honestly almost exactly as popular as The Rock at that time period.

Then, even after a 3 year depush, he was again incredibly over when he finally got the belt and would have been a huge success as champion if not for the ******ed weed/pills incident. I just don't think there was another guy like that left in the field when I drafted RVD except for Cena who I initially passed on just because I can't stand him and because I think RVD's a little more talented in the ring.

BTW, like the Steamboat pick a lot. He was one of the older guys that I thought would work really well and I would have considered him strongly if Cena hadn't slipped so far or even if I hadn't already taken a high-flying wrestler that does a little better as a face with my 1st-round pick.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:03 PM   #1192
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Where can I find ratings of these 5 star matches?
WrestleMania III
Chi-Town Rumble
Clash of the Champions 6
WrestleWar 89
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:03 PM   #1193
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....thinking I could still make a nice roster w/people that are left. This is an amazing concept and I'm enjoying reading all of this. I use to belong to a forum where we picked wrestlers and created our own programs/wrote shows ... great times
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:04 PM   #1194
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jesus christ finally

cena is the best pick so far at #28 its just absolutely unreal
cena was the guy i was mentioning back on page 4 saying that if he got picked anywhere in the first round he was a horrible reach. at 28, it's probably ok. he's seriously overrated, and i don't actually overly dislike him.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:04 PM   #1195
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Holy undrafteds, dnky.

Also, without thinking much about it, I can't believe that Cena is the 9th biggest money maker in the sport of pro wrestling. Not even close.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:05 PM   #1196
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Yeah Benoit might be the biggest reach so far. Not much charisma and he gives your promotion a big black eye when he kills his family.
Is there other hate for Benoit?

He's CANADIAN bro!

But seriously, but Benoit was always a crowd pleasing performer. Remember when EVERYONE would count along like ONE, TWO, THREE of his triple suplexs? Diving headbutts? Putting his body in harms way? I mean, I'll give you that Benoit has maybe below-average mic skills but his entertainment and wrestling/grappling/mat was excellent. He was that gritty guy who talked with his actions. I'm guessing writeup for this one is needed but he was one of my favourite wrestlers.

And he's going to kill his family in this?!?!?!?
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:05 PM   #1197
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I have WM 3 and 4 both on video at home. Definitely going to be watching them over Thanksgiving when I'm home
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:05 PM   #1198
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CM Punk: Simply an awful pick, you could have taken him in the second round. There is one current WWE star who is much better on the mic, and probably only a little worse in the ring who is still avaible. I think Punk has been great as a heel lately but 12th overall is crazy.
i wouldent have been able to get him in the 2nd round. people have allready said that.

my plan all along was to trade down in the 1st round, which moved me up to a spot where i can get steamboat in the 2nd round. the matches that these 2 would blow the roof off any arena you would put them in.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:06 PM   #1199
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dnky,

I think Steamboat/Punk is a much better draft strategy than Punk/Steamboat.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:07 PM   #1200
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I liked Benoit too, but he never made money so it's hard to justify him this early. I'm assuming he kills his family for the same reason people assume The Rock leaves for a movie career etc.
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