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Old 11-23-2009, 10:36 AM   #3276
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Prob. tough to be anything decent in the ring when you have grapefruits for biceps and a barrell-sized upper body. I'm surprised he can fit through the door.
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:38 AM   #3277
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Also, what's everyone's thoughts on Vince finally deciding to de-mask Kane? Good or bad long-term?
I guess everyone hates it but really I don't think there is much mainstream market for masked guys that dont talk these days
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:46 AM   #3278
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I'm actually a decent Kaneinite and had mixed feelings on the decision. Had to happen eventually I guess. The only way his character could grow at this point in his career.
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:38 AM   #3279
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Loved Heenan when I was a kid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3zZyOAo8FU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMUaVgbjMx4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOivAvBbcGY

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Old 11-23-2009, 12:01 PM   #3280
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There's a clear #1 but it's not Hogan
Hopefully you can show these guys the light. I just kno you have the right pick in mind.

Also this is the best thread I've ever come across on 2+2. Untouchable your a legend in my eyes for starting this.

Edit: O ****, 3000 posts.. I thought this was only on page one. Gota lotta readin to do, and whoever picked Mick FOLEY. GREATEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:12 PM   #3281
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whoever picked Mick FOLEY. GREATEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME
Even he would say, "Uh, no" to this.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:14 PM   #3282
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Pretty much everyone who has <5 posts in this thread is writing in hyperbole.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:31 PM   #3283
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ack, was hoping that Heenan would drop to deezy and I for the next round. We were talking about him as that pick went up
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:34 PM   #3284
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Even he would say, "Uh, no" to this.
Mick Foley is a humble man, of course he would not take so much credit in a world that is filled with memorable and outstanding superstars that paved this mans dreams of becoming an American idol, actionstar, and roll model to every young fan out there in the WWF.

Now every man has there opinions, but I root for a man who BLEEDS WWF while stopping at no costs to entertain the people.

• Six concussions from 1986 to 1998 • One broken jaw in 1986 • Two broken noses in 1993 • One broken cheekbone in 1998 • Lost four front teeth from 1989 to 1998 • Two-thirds of his ear ripped off in 1993 • A separated shoulder in 1990 • A fractured left shoulder in 1989 • A dislocated shoulder in 1998 • Second degree burn on his shoulder in 1995 • Second degree burns on his arm in 1995 • 54 stitches on his left arm in 1995 • A broken right wrist in 1989 • Bone chips in his right elbow in 1996 • Six broken ribs from 1991 to 1998 • A torn abdominal in 1992 • A torn ACL • A broken toe in 1991 • A total of over 300 stitches in his arms, head, eyebrows, hands, ears, shin, cheek and lip • Thousands of thumb tack holes

SOCKOOOO
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:36 PM   #3285
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If injuries equals talent then Trent Edwards is a very underrated QB
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:41 PM   #3286
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I could (and probably would) make the argument that Mick Foley made more out of "less" (not to be confused with "little") than any top-20 wrestler of all-time (which most people seem to agree he's one of the top 20). I mean, if you were to put the top 20 in a police lineup and tell someone, "These guys are all pro wrestlers, who doesn't belong?" they'd almost certainly pick Foley. Not a good body. Not a good "look." Doesn't look athletic at all. And yet he was a very good (again, I stop at great) worker, tough as nails, a great talker, knew how to get heat and work a feud. (EDIT: And as was said, he LOVED what he did and LOVED entertaining people.)

He's not Shawn Michaels or Ric Flair. But that's part of the beauty of Foley.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:52 PM   #3287
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I just watched an episode of Botchamania (might be 106, the Halloween edition) where a goddamn mummy came down to the ring and gang-raped Hogan.
THE YET-AY!

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5:15-5:40 Heenan kills it, UNDRAFTED with a nice assist.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:52 PM   #3288
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I could (and probably would) make the argument that Mick Foley made more out of "less" (not to be confused with "little") than any top-20 wrestler of all-time (which most people seem to agree he's one of the top 20). I mean, if you were to put the top 20 in a police lineup and tell someone, "These guys are all pro wrestlers, who doesn't belong?" they'd almost certainly pick Foley. Not a good body. Not a good "look." Doesn't look athletic at all. And yet he was a very good (again, I stop at great) worker, tough as nails, a great talker, knew how to get heat and work a feud. (EDIT: And as was said, he LOVED what he did and LOVED entertaining people.)

He's not Shawn Michaels or Ric Flair. But that's part of the beauty of Foley.
fwiw I know stories of Shawn Michaels and HHH told to me from a retired professional wrestler who's a good friend from where I live. These stories are disturbing and homosexual, therefor I lost all respect for both and am veryyy glad Foley is not related to them.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:53 PM   #3289
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Mick Foley is a humble man, of course he would not take so much credit in a world that is filled with memorable and outstanding superstars that paved this mans dreams of becoming an American idol, actionstar, and roll model to every young fan out there in the WWF.

Now every man has there opinions, but I root for a man who BLEEDS WWF while stopping at no costs to entertain the people.

• Six concussions from 1986 to 1998 • One broken jaw in 1986 • Two broken noses in 1993 • One broken cheekbone in 1998 • Lost four front teeth from 1989 to 1998 • Two-thirds of his ear ripped off in 1993 • A separated shoulder in 1990 • A fractured left shoulder in 1989 • A dislocated shoulder in 1998 • Second degree burn on his shoulder in 1995 • Second degree burns on his arm in 1995 • 54 stitches on his left arm in 1995 • A broken right wrist in 1989 • Bone chips in his right elbow in 1996 • Six broken ribs from 1991 to 1998 • A torn abdominal in 1992 • A torn ACL • A broken toe in 1991 • A total of over 300 stitches in his arms, head, eyebrows, hands, ears, shin, cheek and lip • Thousands of thumb tack holes

SOCKOOOO


tbh, most of the people who wrestled teh style that foley did for a long time will suffer the majority of these types of injuries(sabu's list would be much longer and gruesome). Also, almost all of the injuries that you listed were before he joined WWF. A lot of Cactus Jack and deathmatch injuries, so he wasn't bleeding WWF when he suffered them, though he certainly was bleeding
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:17 PM   #3290
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• Six concussions from 1986 to 1998 • One broken jaw in 1986 • Two broken noses in 1993 • One broken cheekbone in 1998 • Lost four front teeth from 1989 to 1998 • Two-thirds of his ear ripped off in 1993 • A separated shoulder in 1990 • A fractured left shoulder in 1989 • A dislocated shoulder in 1998 • Second degree burn on his shoulder in 1995 • Second degree burns on his arm in 1995 • 54 stitches on his left arm in 1995 • A broken right wrist in 1989 • Bone chips in his right elbow in 1996 • Six broken ribs from 1991 to 1998 • A torn abdominal in 1992 • A torn ACL • A broken toe in 1991 • A total of over 300 stitches in his arms, head, eyebrows, hands, ears, shin, cheek and lip • Thousands of thumb tack holes
it's possible you would be interested in the work of these people

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Old 11-23-2009, 01:21 PM   #3291
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Round 5, Pick 105: Kofi Kingston




This pick came about mostly because of his recent angle with Randy Orton. Deezy and I want a young face who we can groom for a big run 5-8 years down the road when the likes of Brisco and Funk slow down a bit. While not the most amazing technical wrestler, I like what he brings to teh ring as his moves work in the frame of the match and how he styles a match. He can do a more flying style, but has the ability to work a slower and more build up based match too. Right now he can also work very well with any of our top guys. Most of all, he's a guy that Deezy and I feel that we can write some strong programs for, and he's shown that he can handle those programs and really propel himself up the card.

accomplishments:

Pro Wrestling Illustrated

PWI ranked him #35 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2009

World Wrestling Entertainment

World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with CM Punk
WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
WWE United States Championship (1 time)



Round 6, pick 106: Road Warrior Hawk



This pick wasn't to block Animal and Hawk joining together as the Road Warriors, this was because the opportunity arose to put together a rockin tag team with two guys that can be singles wrestlers (and in the case of Sasaki, he's had most of his success as a single) and add depth to the heel side of things for us(though they can obviously switch to being faces too). Hawk was always the worker in the Road Warriors and he's had prominant singles matches in NWA with Flair and others. Obviously he will mostly be used as a Tag Team Wrestler, and the Power Warriors will be the spine of the Tag Team division

accomplishments:

* All Japan Pro Wrestling
o NWA International Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal

* American Wrestling Association
o AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Catch Wrestling Association
o CWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Fighting World of Japan Pro Wrestling
o World Japan Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Georgia Championship Wrestling
o NWA National Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with Road Warrior Animal

* i-Generation Superstars of Wrestling
o i-Generation Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Independent Pro Wrestling
o IPW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Jim Crockett Promotions / World Championship Wrestling
o NWA World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Road Warrior Animal and Dusty Rhodes (2) and Road Warrior Animal and undrafted (1)
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal2
o Iron Team Tournament (1989) – with Road Warrior Animal
o Jim Crockett, Sr. Memorial Cup (1986) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Mid-Eastern Wrestling Federation
o MEWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with undrafted

* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP Tag Team Championship (2 time) – with Power Warrior

* Professional Championship Wrestling (Texas)
o PWC Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Tag Team of the Year (1983–1985, 1988) with Road Warrior Animal
o PWI Feud of the Year (1987) with Road Warrior Animal and The Super Powers (Dusty Rhodes and undrafted) vs. The Four Horsemen (Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, undrafted, and Lex Luger)
o PWI ranked him #1 out of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Road Warrior Animal as The Road Warriors in 2003.

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Road Warrior Animal

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Rookies of the Year award (1983) with Road Warrior Animal
o Tag Team of the Year (1984) with Road Warrior Animal
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)



Round 6, pick 107: Kensuke Sasaki




I'm glad to be making this pick. Yes, he didn't have a super extended run in the US, but this is a top man in Japan that did win the US title in 1995 and had successful tag matches with Hawk in WCW while also having singles matches in WCW. He can translate the Japanese style to the US as he has done his share of brawls and is an overall ass kicker. When not in a Tag Team with Hawk, he will be high on the card as a ME level talent.

Accomplishments(note, only guys who may be possibly eligible will be edited out):

* All Japan Pro Wrestling
o AJPW All Asia Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Katsuhiko Nakajima
o AJPW Triple Crown Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o Champion's Carnival (2005)

* Fighting World of Japan Pro Wrestling
o World Magma the Greatest Championship (1 time)

* Hawai'i Championship Wrestling
o HCW Kamehameha Heritage Championship (1 time)
o HCW Kekaulike Heritage Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Kenjiro Katahira

* Michinoku Pro Wrestling
o Tohoku Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Katsuhiko Nakajima

* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP Heavyweight Championship (5 times)
o IWGP Tag Team Championship (7 times) – with Hiroshi Hase (2), Hawk Warrior (2), Riki Chōshū (1), Kazuo Yamazaki (1) and Shiro Koshinaka (1)
o G1 Climax (1997, 2000)

* Toryumon Mexico
o UWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) - with Animal Warrior

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)1

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him #23 of the best 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1998
o PWI ranked him #27 of the 100 best tag teams during the PWI Years with Hiroshi Hase in 2003

* Pro Wrestling Noah
o GHC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o GHC Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – undrafted

* Stampede Wrestling
o Stampede International Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Sumo Hara

* World Wrestling Council
o WWC Caribbean Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Mr. Pogo

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Match of the Year (1991) with Hiroshi Hase vs. undrafted and Scott Steiner at the WCW/New Japan Supershow



edit:

Roster:

Eddie Guerrero
Terry Funk
Rey Mysterio jr
Jack Brisco
Kofi Kingston
Road Warrior Hawk
Kensuke Sasaki

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Old 11-23-2009, 01:30 PM   #3292
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Ted DiBiase
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Stan Hansen
Jushin Liger
Sabu
Tajiri
Psicosis
This looks fun as hell to watch, but is definitely lacking a charismatic face to feud with Ted. It's possible that that guy is Thesz, I just don't know enough about him.
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:04 PM   #3293
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You have one of the two most well balanced lineups so far, i'm a big billy gunn fan, and he lacked mic skills but he had in ring charisma, and all 5 of your guys just fit real well together, depending on who else you take you can certainly create an interesting stable, and the key to tag teams in this format is to take guys that can tag and be single, and billy gunn fits the bill
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:12 PM   #3294
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It's amazing how we can have such similar views about Flair and such different views about Scott Hall ("Ramon").

Flair was the undisputed and obvious top man in a top promotion for basically a solid decade (you can't say this about Rock or Austin; and the worst pick in the whole draft is taking HBK when Flair was still available-HBK was never even clearly the top wrestler in his promotion, and when HBK was at his peak the WWE was not very popular)-he had the best promos at the time, he was in many of the best matches of all time, and was absolutely amazing at putting over another wrestler-just throw anybody in a feud with Flair, and he would get way over-from either the people who hated flair for his outlandish arrogance and bragging about his wealth and fame, or from those who just loved Flair, and instantly would want to watch any match that one of his enemies was in, hoping the enemy would lose. Ric Flair probably made more superstars than Austin, Rock, and HBK combined, a huge asset to have in your promotion. With a snap of the finger Flair could switch from being top heel to top face (e.g. feud with Funk right after Steamboat, retirement storyling with Vader, etc.). If anything, I think you underrated Flair; if Flair doesn't get a 10 in charisma or drawing power, who does?

I can't fathom how you could give Scott Hall a 3 for drawing power, especially given the people you gave much higher scores to. When Hall returned to TNA nearly a decade after his prime, the crowd went crazy for a long time. When he showed up in ECW, the crowd went crazy. Most importantly, he was the #2 mic guy and worker in the NWO, the prime cause of WCW going from rating around 3 to ratings around 7; from losing every week to the WWF to beaten them every week for almost 2 years straight. Hall had been a heel for his entire time in WCW, yet when he unexpectedly accompanied Kevin Nash to the ring in a match against Hogan, the crowd went crazy. Like Flair, either you love Hall, or you love to hate Hall-this is what you want; the last thing you want is fans being apathetic to a guy, as they won't be interested in his matches or segments unless they have strong feelings about him. On the mic, Hall had something new and golden nearly every promo from 96-98, and as Ramon decided on and followed flawlessly his own brilliant gimmick. The catch phrases he used were also huge, among the most popular ever (Hey Yo still gets huge responses to this day; the Nwo catch phrases he popularized were huge at the time); the only wrestlers who clearly are ahead of him in the ability to craft and popularize catch phrases are Hogan, Rock and Austin. You may have not been a fan; but he always had the vast majority of the audience at full attention when he was on the mic. This was at a time when Bischoff was letting wrestlers say whatever they wanted; Hall didn't even need a writer. His promos during WCW were just crazy good; and contained 'attitude' before Mcmahon allowed attitude in WWE.

Here are some links to his popularity, which demonstrate how pleased fans were to have this guy around in their promotion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79y4...A8246&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BN0AfbuAo

Check out 6:20 in this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YI7ySPEb8

I also disagree with you on Hall in terms of longevity. He wrestled for more or less 22 years straight, was on and off for a few years, and has wrestled the past couple of years straight. That has to be a 8-9.

His in ring work I have to go with something near your ranking; at his best he was a clear 10, able to put up a 4-5 star match against an opponent his size, much smaller, or much larger, which only a handful of wrestlers have ever been able to do. However, he often wasn't at his best; lackadaisical during matches and/or intoxicated and/or recovering from intoxication.

So, regardless of where Ramon ranks, for Scott Hall in total I think you have:

DRAWING POWER: 9
IN-RING WORK: 7
MIC SKILLS: 9
CHARISMA: 9
LONGEVITY: 9

The real issues with Hall aren't things you have included in your rankings; he often didn't obey ownership and struggled with significant off-camera issues. Just going by your criteria Hall was an absurdly good value pick at the slot he was selected.
In an earlier post i mentioned he might have had the best mic skills of all time, obviously i concede to the Rock, Hogan, and Austin are great too, but I feel much like this poster feels, Hall to me was the best 2nd round pick because of where in the round he was taken and what he brings to an organization, he was a monster in his early days with the AWA, many people forget, and he had it all, yes Hogan put NWO in the forefront due to his heel turn, and Nash was the imposing figure, but without Hall NWO is not the NWO, look at the failed WWF attempt no Hall, no NWO, HBK, NASH, Flair, McMahon none could keep the NWO going it was Hall's show.

Oh yeah Hall is my favorite of all time, while Piper, Jake the Snake, Bruno, The Dragon and Owen were great 2nd round picks, and many of us love those guys, unless your like 50 and over(bruno) none of them are probably your 1 favorite, maybe top 3 or 5 depending on the person, but Hall got that kind of charisma
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I have family getting in town tomorrow for the holidays and am going to be really busy all week....hopefully I can get my picks in today....otherwise I'll try my best to send a list to someone.
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:43 PM   #3296
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:53 PM   #3297
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Round 6, Pick 11 Cruizn63/b123 select....

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Old 11-23-2009, 04:07 PM   #3299
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With our second sixth-round pick, Wrane/Antidan select:

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i like this pick. during his run as ROH champ, most the fans were againts him, but i feel he is still quality in the ring. i was hoping to pick him up in the next round. good pick imo.

and wow at this roster.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:09 PM   #3300
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mjw and I are ready with our picks, so we can definitely get a nice run going
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