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07-20-2024 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Viggorous
Chapeau Pogacar, he has been untouchable this year. I already pray we get a fully fit Jonas and Pogi (and Remco) next year to see this duel when all are at their best - although this "new" Pogacar looks frighteningly strong.

I think we'll have a break today, but I expect Pogi to win the TT, due to the climbing metres.

And immense credit to Jonas, he has done incredibly well given the circumstances. The fact that us Jonas fans could remain somewhat hopeful until yesterday, is a testament to how good he has been. But he has gotten worse as the Tour progressed - a very similar trajectory as Pogi last year. The lack of a proper foundation hits hard in the third week, even for superhumans.

Hats off to Remco as well, he has impressed me very, very much. I was not expecting him to be so "close" to the top 2. It bodes well for the future.
Agreed with Remco, he answered every question I had. Bossed the TT (expected him to be competitive ofc but not better than both Pog & Jonas), faded the gravel trap and looked competitive there, nothing silly on the flat stages and he never looked worse than the 3rd best climber on all climbs.

The only regret is that he's such a fun rider and watch him do a smart/defensive race is a bit of a shame so I hope we see him soon in a spot where he's part of a more attacking dynamic
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07-20-2024 , 08:36 AM
I know he's said he won't ride the Vuelta but it would be cool to see Pogacar go for the triple this year.
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07-20-2024 , 08:47 AM
Has anyone ever won all 3 in the same season?
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07-20-2024 , 08:49 AM
I just checked and it looks like the answer is No. Merckx and Roche won two Grand Tours and World Champs in same year but no one has ever won all 3
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07-20-2024 , 01:41 PM
Yeah he is incredible. He could go for it, but I think he'll go for the World Championship, which I believe he's announced as well. But he can't win the WC each year, that depends on the route, whereas he can "always" win the Vuelta.

Who knows what he'll do, he's unstoppable, but I don't think he'll go Vuelta this year.
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07-20-2024 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Viggorous
Yeah he is incredible. He could go for it, but I think he'll go for the World Championship, which I believe he's announced as well. But he can't win the WC each year, that depends on the route, whereas he can "always" win the Vuelta.

Who knows what he'll do, he's unstoppable, but I don't think he'll go Vuelta this year.
He's definitely said earlier that he won't ride the Vuelta and just yesterday UAE have said that they won't send him because they don't want to burn him out. I'm pretty sure he'll be targeting the World Championship + Olympics and then Lombardia later.
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07-20-2024 , 06:49 PM
Giro, Tour, Olympic Gold would also be a decent triple, although I suspect he won’t be strong enough to win the tt

Very good stage by Jonas today. Pog is the strongest of course and the way he pulled away in the final 300m showed what he had in reserve but it was clear to see 1,2,3 in this year’s race

I don’t really follow the Points classification but I was surprised to see Pog so low in that (I think 5th or 6th?) despite 5 wins and 2 second places. Girmay has 3 wins.

Is it that mountain stage wins count for less points than flat stages or simply that the intermediate sprint points are more important?
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07-21-2024 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Is it that mountain stage wins count for less points than flat stages or simply that the intermediate sprint points are more important?
Mostly the first, a little of the second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points...France#Current
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07-21-2024 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by derwipok
Mostly the first, a little of the second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points...France#Current
thanks - that makes sense
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07-21-2024 , 07:08 AM
Yeah the green is basically for sprint points, as opposed to the red polkadot mountain points. Green contenders generally get carried into a good position (after otherwise boring stages), to very briefly output massive power, and some of them actually struggle to finish in time on certain mountain stages.

After weeks of mountains where there is just more time to be won/lost, the general winners are by definition good at mountain stages, and you can see more orange (and purple) than green on this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...inners#Winners

Armstrong is obviously not on there and isn't mentioned on the mountain winner list, but I'd guess he had a ton of mountain points too.
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07-21-2024 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Viggorous
That was a phenomenal stage, it had all the drama - but of the good kind (the only nuisance is that Gee didn't win the sprint as I had pre-bet on him @ 300/1).

Another uplifting day for Vingegaard he kept up nicely despite some stressful situations. Even though he needed his team at times (and they showed their worth in this terrain), he was also really strong.

Evenepoel was again a positive surprise, he continues to impress me. I was worried before the Tour that he might end up being a bit of a passenger (as arguably Roglic has been so far), but he animates the race.

I can't help but be amused at Remco and Pogacar's comments about Vingegaard. Riding away with the two of them, who are individually better in this terrain and who he struggle to follow during attacks (as we saw when Pogacar attacked later), when Vingegaard's team is right behind him would be folly. Personally, I'm glad Vingegaard rides with his brain and not his balls.

Also, I cannot help but interpret Pogacar's "he's scared of me" comment as an indication that he himself is worried. There is absolutely nothing strange about Vingegaard focusing on him, given we've already seen on the climbs that neither Evenepoel or Roglic can match them. Vingegaard has never - and will never - risk exposing himself to Pogacar, even if he stood to gain the elimination of every other GC rival (which we also saw in Bilbao last year). I think it seems out of character for Pogacar if he feels on top of things to come out with a petty comment like that, he's usually always polite and respectful - this seems to me like he's genuinely annoyed, which IMO indicates that he's nervous (this may be a stretch; overanalyzing pointless details is an occupational hazard as a psychologist).

I'm suspecting Pogacar might starting to feel the repercussions of having done the Giro. Yes, right now, he is extremely strong, but I think he might be thinking that he is not going to get better as the race progresses - which Vingegaard very well could.
Villagery comment. Dead wrong, but from a v!Viggo pov.
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07-21-2024 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Viggorous
Yeah he is incredible. He could go for it, but I think he'll go for the World Championship, which I believe he's announced as well. But he can't win the WC each year, that depends on the route, whereas he can "always" win the Vuelta.

Who knows what he'll do, he's unstoppable, but I don't think he'll go Vuelta this year.
Mmmm. He probably won't often win both the Giro and the Tour. This might be a unique opportunity to win all 3. But who knows what his desires and the teams plans are.
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07-21-2024 , 07:25 PM
Time Trial = Race of Truth was 100% on. Top 3 on stage = top 3 in GC

The thing that struck me most was that Pog got straight off his bike and celebrated - it clearly wasn't a max effort for him over the final km. He had more in him

Great performance by him but also extremely impressive from Jonas and an excellent 1st tour for Remco.

Remco will be disappointed to be 3rd on that stage I think. 1 week only til Olympic time trial and I wonder how all 3 will recover. Surely there are fresher athletes than these 3?
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07-22-2024 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tchaz
Villagery comment. Dead wrong, but from a v!Viggo pov.
Yeah not exactly the greatest take in hindsight LOL

It seems to me like it was more a case of Pogacar releasing some pent up anger from the past two years - his comment about Vingegaard clearly being in the form of his life after he lost that one stage also felt more about talking himself up. I think he has probably been very frustrated about losing the prior two years, having to listen to people saying Jonas was a better GC rider and so on.

Feels like we saw a different side of him. I don't find it particularly charming, but I can respect the winning mentality - which is probably part of his huge success that has made him considered an all-time great at the age of 25. I certainly tip my hat to him, and witnessing a guy spoken about as rivalling Merkx - and who may at some point be talked about as superseding him is nothing short of incredible.

He reminds me of Cristiano Ronaldo in that sense; he wants to be the best at everything always, and cannot stand to be seen as even #2. I'm hoping we see that Vingegaard is actually Messi next July.
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07-22-2024 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Time Trial = Race of Truth was 100% on. Top 3 on stage = top 3 in GC

The thing that struck me most was that Pog got straight off his bike and celebrated - it clearly wasn't a max effort for him over the final km. He had more in him

Great performance by him but also extremely impressive from Jonas and an excellent 1st tour for Remco.

Remco will be disappointed to be 3rd on that stage I think. 1 week only til Olympic time trial and I wonder how all 3 will recover. Surely there are fresher athletes than these 3?
Jonas isn't doing Olympics, and Pogi only does road race (I think?), and the main competitors for the road race are guys who were also at the Tour and not in peak condition (although not doing GC) (MvdP, WvA, Pedersen - who was in great form but crashed out so probably not peak either).

It shouldn't be a huge problem to stay in good form if it was time right, although probably not peak condition.

It might be difficult to best Tarling and Ganna for Remco at the TT, but he still has a solid shot for at least a podium.
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07-22-2024 , 04:35 AM
Yes I saw the Pog road race news after I posted. It surprises me but idk - he can do everything so let’s see
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07-22-2024 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Viggorous
Jonas isn't doing Olympics, and Pogi only does road race (I think?)
Turns out Pogacar won't be going to the Olympics at all due to fatigue.

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the main competitors for the road race are guys who were also at the Tour and not in peak condition (although not doing GC) (MvdP, WvA, Pedersen - who was in great form but crashed out so probably not peak either).
I'm 100% convinced that MvdP is peaking for the Olympics and will be better there than he was at the Tour. I also wouldn't be surprised if Wout's form will be better since it's further removed from his Spring crash.
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07-22-2024 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Remco will be disappointed to be 3rd on that stage I think. 1 week only til Olympic time trial and I wonder how all 3 will recover. Surely there are fresher athletes than these 3?
I'd be shocked if Ganna or Tarling doesn't win the olympics TT. As a Remco fan, I'd be thrilled with a non-gold medal
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07-23-2024 , 03:22 AM
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Turns out Pogacar won't be going to the Olympics at all due to fatigue.

I'm a bit surprised but he really wants to focus on the WC it seems. I'd think Olympic gold would be pretty high up his most desired wins, there aren't many chances in a career for those. But otoh if he feels like he's too tired to win, I suppose he may as well get some much needed rest.

Inb4 turnaround and he goes to the Vuelta anyway

I'm 100% convinced that MvdP is peaking for the Olympics and will be better there than he was at the Tour. I also wouldn't be surprised if Wout's form will be better since it's further removed from his Spring crash.
Yeah MvdP will be the guy to beat - especially now that there's no Pogi.
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07-27-2024 , 12:08 PM
Remco with the gold in TT.

Obviously a bit fortunate that Tarling had to change bike, but still. It's unbelievable that less than a week ago, he defended a Grand Tour podium easily ahead of everyone not named Jonas and Tadej, and today he beats TT specialists who had better prep than he did. World + Olympic champion at 24, just incredible.

Also a great result from WvA. Belgium will be scary for the road race.
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07-29-2024 , 11:34 PM
Tom Pidcock now a 2 time Olympic gold in mountain bike.
Also world champ at cyclo cross as well as mountain bike and an Alpe d’Huez stage winner.

Building a pretty impressive resume at age 24. He still has one more event in Paris.

I wonder what his long term goals are?
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08-03-2024 , 03:29 PM
Besides Pogi, is there any rider in the peloton with a better career resume than Remco already has?
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08-03-2024 , 04:42 PM
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Besides Pogi, is there any rider in the peloton with a better career resume than Remco already has?
Roglic
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08-03-2024 , 08:01 PM
very impressive by Remco. He's earned his moules frites and a few beers
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08-18-2024 , 12:46 PM
Crazy stuff in the women's tour. Vollering losing the tour by 3 seconds because of her own teammate
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