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12-13-2017 , 09:47 AM
Guess this thread is going to turn into a doping thread again:

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Cycling: Christopher Froome targeted in procedure after an "abnormal" doping test

According to information from the "World" and "The Guardian", the British have been subjected to an "abnormal" test on the Tour of Spain, which they won in September.
Four-time Tour de France winner Christopher Froome underwent an "abnormal" doping test on the recent Tour of Spain, according to information revealed by Le Monde and the British newspaper The Guardian, and confirmed by David Lappartient, president of the International Cycling Union (UCI).

This "abnormal" control should, in all likelihood, deprive him of his victory in the final classification of the Vuelta and thus cancel out the double Tour de France-Tour d' Espagne completed this summer for the first time since 1978. Uncertainty remains as to the other consequences of this control, but its participation in the forthcoming Tour d' Italie and Tour de France could be called into question.

Christopher Froome is subject to a procedure initiated by the UCI following the detection of a high concentration of salbutamol in his urine. Its lawyers, assisted by scientific experts, try to convince the international federation that it has acted in compliance with the regulations, which is why the control has still not been made public.

Salbutamol, a bronchodilator, is the active ingredient in Ventoline, a drug used to treat asthma. This substance in the "beta-2 agonists" class no longer requires the submission of a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) as of 2010, but its use is regulated: it must be inhaled at a moderate dose, so that its concentration in urine does not exceed 1000 nanograms per millilitre. Christopher Froome has far exceeded this dose: the concentration found in his urine is, according to our information, about twice the limit allowed.

A way out

However, the British, who has not been hiding since 2014 to take asthma treatments, can hope for a favourable outcome to this "abnormal" control. Christopher Froome must prove that the substance was administered to him by inhalation and at the recommended doses, but that different factors caused a higher than expected concentration in his urine.

Contacted by Le Monde and The Guardian at the end of the day on Tuesday 12 December, Sky was unable to comment on this information.

The British clan had chosen to remain silent on this control and to announce the participation of the Nairobi native in the next Tour of Italy in May 2018. Froome then had to try to win a third round in a row, marking the history of his sport.

After the Vuelta, Christopher Froome competed in the team time trial world championship and, above all, in the individual time trial, where he won the bronze medal. Has the British Cycling Federation allowed - as it has the right to do - its champion to compete with knowledge of this "abnormal" control? Le Monde and The Guardian were unable to verify this and British Cycling did not wish to comment.

The sanction: simple reprimand or suspension

It seems inevitable that Christopher Froome would lose the benefit of his victory over the Tour of Spain: indeed, as stated in the UCI regulations,"an anti-doping rule violation in connection with a test in competition automatically leads to the cancellation of the results obtained during this competition", even if the rider would convince him not to have committed any fault or negligence. The Italian Vincenzo Nibali should win his second Vuelta and fifth Grand Tour on the green carpet.

But 32-year-old Christopher Froome can still hope to win a fifth Tour de France victory in July 2018. Indeed, for a rate of salbutamol exceeding the limit, the sanction may range from a simple reprimand to a two-year suspension, depending on the assessment of the rider's fault. In several cases over the past decade or so, the suspension period has ranged from three to twelve months, but the salbutamol levels found in athletes have rarely been as high.

Any prohibition of running would begin on the date of the decision of the court of last resort, since Christopher Froome had not been provisionally suspended. This means that even if the UCI Anti-Doping Tribunal were to rule quickly, the UK would have to be suspended for six months or less to expect to be at the start of the Tour, on 7 July 2018, at Noirmoutier (Vendée). It could also try to appeal suspensively to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and run pending the decision of the Supreme Court of Sport.
Christopher Froome's history of discipline, domination and spectacular progress after an insignificant start to his career led him to be the target of suspicion of doping, including mechanical. But this is the first time that it has been taken in breach of the World Anti-Doping Code, with a substance that is frequently used but subject to abuse.

Threats to Team Sky

As a sign of the hesitation of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), the status of salbutamol in the list of prohibited products has varied more than any other in the young history of anti-doping. The experts' lack of consensus promises to cycling a legal-scientific series reminiscent of the one that concerned Alberto Contador of Spain between September 2010 and February 2012, following a positive control of clenbuterol.

Christopher Froome's case could also poison the start of the mandate of the new French UCI president, David Lappartient. Elected on 21 September, eleven days after the arrival of the Vuelta, the latter received the same day of a burning case, while his predecessor, Brian Cookson of Great Britain, had been blamed for his alleged connections with the Sky team.

When contacted on Tuesday afternoon, David Lappartient says he "has no reason to interfere in this case." I don't know what Christopher Froome's tests are going through or what elements are in the file, which is handled independently by the legal department,"he says. I was just informed of an "abnormal" test without knowing if[the salbutamol was justified or not."

As for the Sky team, victorious in five of the last six Tours de France, they thought the clouds around them had dissipated after the British Anti-Doping Agency (UKAD) closed an investigation into their former doctor and the winner of the 2012 Tour, Bradley Wiggins. Here it is again caught up in the nets of the anti-doping fight, which have been riddled with holes. If Christopher Froome were to be suspended, the very existence of the richest team in the peloton would be threatened.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/com...an_antidoping/
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12-13-2017 , 09:51 AM
Sky's response:

https://www.teamsky.com/article/ts-statement

BTW, this is the same drug that resulted in Ulissi and Petacchi being banned for 9 months and a year, respectively.

Also should add that Froome was supposed to enter the Giro this year in his attempt to win 3 (and 4, with Le Tour) consecutive grand tours.
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12-13-2017 , 03:00 PM
Lol I'm shocked.

The use of asthma TUEs is ridiculous. If you have problems with red blood cell counts can you use EPO with a TUE? Like obviously if you have a real asthma attack you should be allowed to use medication, drop out of the race and not be banned, but lol at allowing regular usage
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12-13-2017 , 03:17 PM
I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED I say!

Literally shaking right now.

The winner of Le Tour and La Vuelta was doped??????

No ****ing way, what has the world come to?
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12-13-2017 , 07:16 PM
It was his asthma. Amazing that all elite endurance athletes somehow overcome an affliction that you would think would directly oppose the physical requirements of their sport.
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12-14-2017 , 02:19 AM
Shots fired by Tony Martin:

I am very angry. The case of Christopher Froome shows that there's definitely double standards being applied. Other athletes are getting banned immediately after one positive test. The UCI gave Froome and his team time to justify themselves. I'm not aware of any other similar case in recent history (where the team was given time to explain themselves). It's scandalous, especially because he shouldn't even have been allowed to compete at the Worlds.

For me and the public this immediately gives the impression that there's mumbling behind the scenes, arrangements being made and seeking for a way for him (Froome) to evade this case. Does he and Team Sky hold a special status/get a special treatment?

This approach is jeopardizing the difficult fight against doping [...] all of a sudden (or leading it ad absurdum, no idea how to translate that; he also mentions Marcel Kittel and him as riders fighting against doping). The reputation of us the riders and our magnificent sports is at stake. We need the UCIs actions to be consequent and transparent. What's going on here is inconsequent, intransparent, unprofessional and unfair.
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12-14-2017 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
This approach is jeopardizing the difficult fight against doping [...] all of a sudden (or leading it ad absurdum, no idea how to translate that; he also mentions Marcel Kittel and him as riders fighting against doping).
This approach is reducing the difficult anti-doping fight, that riders like myself and Marcel Kittel are fighting, to absurdity with a single stroke.
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12-14-2017 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
BTW, this is the same drug that resulted in Ulissi and Petacchi being banned for 9 months and a year, respectively.
And another rider got zero ban for high amounts found.

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Originally Posted by 425kid
Lol I'm shocked.

The use of asthma TUEs is ridiculous. If you have problems with red blood cell counts can you use EPO with a TUE? Like obviously if you have a real asthma attack you should be allowed to use medication, drop out of the race and not be banned, but lol at allowing regular usage
This wasn't a TUE though.
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12-14-2017 , 07:03 AM
It looks like a case of Sky pushing those marginal gains; ensuring their rider gets the maximum of a legal drug, but something went wrong.... either he had too much, or had the allowed amount over the period and somehow ended up being over the 1000ng/ml threshold.
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12-14-2017 , 07:23 AM
Every last rider in the peloton is doped up to their eyeballs. That's common knowledge since at least the early 90s. That obviously includes people who "fight the difficult anti-doping fight" like Martin and Skittel. They should all stfu and hope to never get caught.
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12-14-2017 , 08:28 AM
To be serious, this obv looks a bit dodgy, but he has always has asthma and as someone who has it also I can understand wanting as much of a dose as you can get. If I run at night with cold air, then even with the regular dose just before I go I can feel the air grabbing my lungs and chest muscles can ache with the heavier breathing. It's just very difficult, no matter what asthma medication you take, to feel like you airways are clear when you are gasping for breath. That said, if there is a gain by taking lots of this stuff then having asthma gives you a pretty good excuse to load up on it.
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12-14-2017 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
Every last rider in the peloton is doped up to their eyeballs. That's common knowledge since at least the early 90s. That obviously includes people who "fight the difficult anti-doping fight" like Martin and Skittel. They should all stfu and hope to never get caught.
I mean this is kinda the common cynical (and obvious) approach to it, but I saw this tweet yesterday and it kind of does seem like it might not be as bad as it was in the doping heyday of say 1996-2006

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/sta...52851949080576

Of course this is a single data point, not controlling for maybe some obvious stuff (idk) but I found it interesting
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12-14-2017 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by martinwilson
somehow ended up being over the 1000ng/ml threshold.
Thing is, he didn't somehow end up at 1050. The article says he was at or near 2000. Someone didn't make an innocent mistake, they blasted past the permitted use.
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12-14-2017 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Thing is, he didn't somehow end up at 1050. The article says he was at or near 2000. Someone didn't make an innocent mistake, they blasted past the permitted use.
For sure.

Would be interesting to see his salbutamol levels from every test in through the Vuelta to see the variance.

One would assume he would need twice the number of puffs on an inhaler to get 2x the threshold, I've seen some say it's as low as 8 puffs in a 12 hour period that is allowed, so unless they believed the high levels could be hidden, surely Froome would notice having 16+ puffs?


There is also debate about whether it even provides a performance gain beyond removing the asthma symptoms. But even if it is debatable, Sky, and most others are going to push the rules as far as possible to get those gains.
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12-14-2017 , 10:36 AM
I've always wondered why I never made it as a professional athlete and the answer all along was that I don't have ****ing asthma
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12-14-2017 , 11:29 AM
Updated list of grand tour winners since 2001.
Those who have tested positive at one time in their career are in red:

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12-14-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by royalblue
I mean this is kinda the common cynical (and obvious) approach to it, but I saw this tweet yesterday and it kind of does seem like it might not be as bad as it was in the doping heyday of say 1996-2006

https://twitter.com/dellowhockey/sta...52851949080576

Of course this is a single data point, not controlling for maybe some obvious stuff (idk) but I found it interesting
I am pretty sure no one now is as doped as Pantani etc. But you don't go from that to clean in one fell swoop.
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12-14-2017 , 12:37 PM
Nibali rides for Astana so should probably count as positive too.
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12-14-2017 , 12:40 PM
If I had to pick one who is the most likely to have been clean I think i'd go with Cadel Evans
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12-14-2017 , 12:41 PM
I don't think the GIANT team is clean also. They are at least on microdoping

They were below average and last year they were easily the 2nd best team in the world. Matthews was climbing Barguil was flying and Dumoulin won a Giro.
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12-14-2017 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
Nibali rides for Astana so should probably count as positive too.
Lol, Aru also.

I lost all respect for Astana after this:

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12-15-2017 , 12:22 AM
I've got Sastre as most likely to be clean. Only guy on the list who has never really looked superhuman or had a massive performance spike. His tour win was just the result of CSC being stacked+Cadel being alone all the way up the Alpe
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12-15-2017 , 05:29 AM
Most likely maybe but still rounds to zero.
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12-15-2017 , 08:15 AM
Yeah, I was just going to say, assigning a non-zero chance that any winners of any grand tour of any of the last 30+ years have been clean is pretty delusional.
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12-15-2017 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ledders
I've always wondered why I never made it as a professional athlete and the answer all along was that I don't have ****ing asthma
Asthma is a good thing to have when your ambitions are pro cycler and grand tour winner, but nothing trumps testicular cancer, imo.
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