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Old 07-14-2015, 03:37 PM   #426
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Re: Pro Cycling 2015 thread: Le Tour, Giro, Vuelta, etc.

Come on though, it's very possible that he was a decent/passable climber and just could never have had good performances in grand tours because of his role but here we're talking about him finishing ahead of TJ, Contador, Nibali and other riders who were making top 10 while putting in a big load for Froome. It's quite a big step to make for a 29 years old.

Beside that, isn't his role basically the same it was in 2013?
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:42 PM   #427
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fractured pelvis in stage 1, still finished....
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:43 PM   #428
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G Thomas needs to leave Sky and take a shot at being a team leader. He's a pretty awesome dude from what I can tell. Always up for a laugh and gives some cracking interviews.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:58 PM   #429
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Might be a step too far to try to make Thomas a GT contender yet. He seems to have become a good climber at a later age but focusing on GTs would be a pretty massive change from targeting the cobbled classics. Would be a good way to emulate US Postal though, if both Porte and Thomas left to lead other teams.

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yeaaaaaa, no.

they aren't racing for first, they are just trying to defend their place now. They won't risk attacking when a failed attack would drop them off the podium or from 7th to 11th or whatever.
Think it depends on the riders. Not really expecting van Garderen or Quintana to do anything silly but assuming they aren't hopelessly out of form guys like Contador/Nibali/Valverde really have nothing to lose. Don't think they really care much about top5 or even podium anyway.

Back in 2013 it was the Ax3 stage where Porte was second. The next day I think it was Movistar and Garmin that blew the race apart right from the start and it ended up with like 5 riders each for Saxo and Movistar while Froome was alone. There was a flat section after the first climbs where Porte kept chasing the group for ages before giving up on the last climb. He actually seemed really strong on that stage too, just ended up riding alone for ages. Still bitter that Saxo/Movi managed to turn against each other on that stage.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:18 PM   #430
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The only slight bit of hope of having an entertaining race is that Quintana does have Valverde in his team which could lead to some fun
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:25 PM   #431
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I just want one day where Froome struggles and makes it at least slightly interesting!
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:33 PM   #432
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Come on though, it's very possible that he was a decent/passable climber and just could never have had good performances in grand tours because of his role but here we're talking about him finishing ahead of TJ, Contador, Nibali and other riders who were making top 10 while putting in a big load for Froome. It's quite a big step to make for a 29 years old.

Beside that, isn't his role basically the same it was in 2013?
You're assuming that Thomas is going to finish ahead of TJ, Nibali, and Contador in the GC merely because he did so on one stage.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:37 PM   #433
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yeaaaaaa, no.

they aren't racing for first, they are just trying to defend their place now. They won't risk attacking when a failed attack would drop them off the podium or from 7th to 11th or whatever.
Contador doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who would settle for defending third place against TJ.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:38 PM   #434
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Come on though, it's very possible that he was a decent/passable climber and just could never have had good performances in grand tours because of his role but here we're talking about him finishing ahead of TJ, Contador, Nibali and other riders who were making top 10 while putting in a big load for Froome. It's quite a big step to make for a 29 years old.

Beside that, isn't his role basically the same it was in 2013?
TJ is still unproven. If anything you should be arguing why was/is he so high in GC. Contador is better than Froome and Armstrong and anyone in history when he is on it, so he either isn't on it or is spent or just plain knackered or holding back. Nibali was never going to be a contender for this race so no big surprise he was behind GT.

Anyway, we'll see tomorrow and during the rest of the race. It certainly isn't over yet (and those of you who say you won't be watching will be). Porte is not a three week guy and never has been and never will be (Sky, BMC makes no difference) - but he can put himself through the mill for his GC guy.

So what's your best guess? That Froome is juiced up to the eyeballs! Or that Contador isn't?
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:45 PM   #435
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It is over barring Froome crashing out - podium places still up for grabs but that's about it.

You can be sure Contador will skip the Giro next year.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:52 PM   #436
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It is over barring Froome crashing out - podium places still up for grabs but that's about it.

You can be sure Contador will skip the Giro next year.
He rode the Giro this year because he knew he was nailed on to win it and add to his Grand Tour legacy. So he may well ride it next year.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:59 PM   #437
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Next year he will want to take on Froome in the race they all want to win at his optimum fitness level. He won't line up in the Giro - I'm almost certain on that.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:01 PM   #438
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Next year he will want to take on Froome in the race they all want to win at his optimum fitness level. He won't line up in the Giro - I'm almost certain on that.
So why did he ride it this year?
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:07 PM   #439
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I'd say he will want the TdF title more than a Giro next year.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:08 PM   #440
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Just watching the highlights....lol.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:11 PM   #441
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TJ is still unproven. If anything you should be arguing why was/is he so high in GC. Contador is better than Froome and Armstrong and anyone in history when he is on it, so he either isn't on it or is spent or just plain knackered or holding back. Nibali was never going to be a contender for this race so no big surprise he was behind GT.
Van Garderen has been riding for the GC for years and has won the white jersey years ago. He's exactly where you'd expect him to be. Thomas not so much. A classics guy and an engine on the flats finishing with GC contenders on a HC climb is quite a surprise.

Dismissing Nibali is still funny. He's obviously weak for some reason but 'never going to be a contender' is pushing it a bit.

Contador might very well be on his way out of the sport. Last year he was clearly going against Sky and Froome all season and after the crash sort of got the price for it in the Vuelta. Maybe he is getting too old/tired to obsess about the Tour at this stage or something. Knows what it takes to get there and it gets harder every year and he has been doing it for a decade. He might not be that old but really been around forever. Could explain his Italian adventure this year as well.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:22 PM   #442
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Van Garderen has been riding for the GC for years and has won the white jersey years ago. He's exactly where you'd expect him to be.

Dismissing Nibali is still funny. He's obviously weak for some reason but 'never going to be a contender' is pushing it a bit
Not according to most folk - TJs position in the GC is a surprise.

Nibali was never going to be a contender. He's clearly the weakest of the big four and his team are being watched less uncarefully than most for trickery incorporated.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:45 PM   #443
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Yes it would be a surprise if he held the 2nd. But it's not exactly something to argue about when he had a good first week and gained the time on crashes and crosswinds. And since he is a good TTer didn't lose time on those. He lost 2.30 today on the first real mountain and lost 30s to Thomas. One of them has changed and it isn't van Garderen.

Nibali is clearly weakest this year, he was clearly strongest last year and a clear 2nd in 2013. Just because the others fail to show up in a race doesn't mean we don't know anything about the level he was performing. If anything, after the Giro there was a good reason to expect big things from him. Considering the way Aru and Landa were riding.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:48 PM   #444
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So why did he ride it this year?
Didn't he want to prove you could win both in the same year? He's proving you can't.
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:50 PM   #445
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Porte is gonna end up at BMC and Landa looks likely to join Sky as his replacement. Uran is another that has been linked with a move back to Sky.
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Old 07-14-2015, 06:22 PM   #446
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I'm not going to defend Froome or Sky or w/e, just posting because the tone of everything this ****er ever says makes me hate him with every fibre of my being.
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Old 07-14-2015, 06:28 PM   #447
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Not according to most folk - TJs position in the GC is a surprise.
Most previews I saw considered him to be just behind the "Big 4". Considering he's finished 5th place in the Tour before, he's about where he's supposed to be.
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Old 07-14-2015, 06:31 PM   #448
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So why did he ride it this year?
It seems that, after winning the Vuelta last year, he realized he could hold all 3 grand tours simultaneously--a Bertie Slam, if he won the Tour.

I was thinking at first that maybe he rode the Giro to give him a built in excuse if he failed to beat Froome at the Tour. Then I remembered how he beat Froome last year at the Vuelta.
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I'm not going to defend Froome or Sky or w/e, just posting because the tone of everything this ****er ever says makes me hate him with every fibre of my being.
I don't understand why, at his point he doesn't just come out and say "LOL @ these guys being clean, you think they are different than me?"
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I don't understand why, at his point he doesn't just come out and say "LOL @ these guys being clean, you think they are different than me?"
he's trying to be 'clever' and not get sued, whilst still undermining the whole of cyclling in order to try to rehabilitate himself as having 'just been doing what everyone else was - and still is' - so he can get paid again by, eg, US advertisers and TV channels.
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