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10-16-2018 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
You rang?

Is this a ranking of SOS *to date* or for the full regular season?
That's full regular season. Here's to date

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10-16-2018 , 01:06 AM
LSU having 16th full season is wild compared to Auburn 47th full season. Is there more full game info available? I looked at the rankings and looks like they're only updated thru Week 2 but using them + your rankings from this week...

Non-con+East LSU vs Auburn
vs Miami (n) (15) =ish to vs Washington (8)
vs SE Louisiana = Alabama State
vs La Tech (91) =ish to USM (104)
vs Rice (128) =ish to Liberty (125)
@ UF (17) > vs UT (58, from week 2)
vs UGA < @UGA
vs Bama < @ Bama
vs MSU < @MSU
vs Ole Miss < @ Ole Miss
@ Arkansas > vs Arkansas
@ TAMU > vs TAMU
vs LSU =ish @ Auburn

@UF against vs UT makes up that much difference to the away vs home for Bama and UGA and Washington vs Miami?
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10-16-2018 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Yeah the people that still want UCF in the playoff just hate college football. As a fan, I want the 4 best teams that deserve to be there. UCF will never meet either of those criteria
I'm fairly sure that within the decade they'll be genuinely better than teams like Oklahoma. The school is better located and draws on a similar talent pool. Why do you think FSU is so bad now?

I'd anticipate something like has happened in basketball will happen in football. These academically mediocre second tier state schools have a recruiting advantage and should be able to field stronger and stronger teams. It may not be long before Georgia Southern is consistently the second best team in its state, UCF is already consistently the second best team in its state. What's better about FSU than UCF or South Florida for a random kid?

Last edited by bacalaopeace; 10-16-2018 at 01:45 AM.
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10-16-2018 , 01:41 AM
It looks like you have UGA's SOS to date ranked 47th, and their entire season SOS at 57th, when they still have 2-3 ranked teams to play, plus Tech (who kind of sucks this year, but it's not like they're FCS). Am I reading that wrong?
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10-16-2018 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Nebraska is 0 for the season. Somewhere Bo Pelini is laughing.
best 0-6 team in history possibly??? They've played even with top 25 type teams last two weeks. I took em ML against badgers and the stats were dead even in the game. gonna mash some people coming up.
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10-16-2018 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
So after Notre Dame loses by 100 this time can we finally be done with them and treat them like we did the undefeated directional Florida school last year?
i'll pray for it re irish, but UCF beat Auburn that beat Bama, not dissing them
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10-16-2018 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 1urker
LSU having 16th full season is wild compared to Auburn 47th full season. Is there more full game info available? I looked at the rankings and looks like they're only updated thru Week 2 but using them + your rankings from this week...

Non-con+East LSU vs Auburn
vs Miami (n) (15) =ish to vs Washington (8)
vs SE Louisiana = Alabama State
vs La Tech (91) =ish to USM (104)
vs Rice (128) =ish to Liberty (125)
@ UF (17) > vs UT (58, from week 2)
vs UGA < @UGA
vs Bama < @ Bama
vs MSU < @MSU
vs Ole Miss < @ Ole Miss
@ Arkansas > vs Arkansas
@ TAMU > vs TAMU
vs LSU =ish @ Auburn

@UF against vs UT makes up that much difference to the away vs home for Bama and UGA and Washington vs Miami?
Not sure how it would measure in Goof's rankings, but SE Louisiana would be favored by 2 touchdowns over Alabama State and LA Tech by 10 over Southern Miss, so equating those games is a problem (OTOH Rice is about 2 touchdowns worse than Liberty). @UF vs UT is a 17 point difference (and that's arguably a bit generous since UF actually won by 26 @ UT, lol). Iirc, Goof weights 2 points for home field, so that will leave LSU with approximately 20 opponent points more than Auburn, or slightly more than 1.5 points per game--which is a significant difference.
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10-16-2018 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AUGUY55
That one year (2007?) USF beat auburn and was ranked no. 2 at one point. Had they won out I’m sure they would have been in the bcs title game. I forget who they lost to that year. Maybe multiple losses after auburn. Who did they lose to anyway?
I will always remember those nights watching the Big East Circular firing squad muted at a globogym. Looks like 11 years later, the AAC is back with 3 undefeated teams.
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10-16-2018 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
It looks like you have UGA's SOS to date ranked 47th, and their entire season SOS at 57th, when they still have 2-3 ranked teams to play, plus Tech (who kind of sucks this year, but it's not like they're FCS). Am I reading that wrong?


Yeah I was trying to figure that out as well. How does UGA’s schedule get worse?
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10-16-2018 , 08:54 PM
Nick Bosa leaving Ohio State. Lol
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10-16-2018 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dsweels
Yeah I was trying to figure that out as well. How does UGA’s schedule get worse?
Most power 5 teams play a relatively tough schedule from here on out so even though UGA's remaining schedule is tougher than what they've played up to this point, it doesn't pick up in toughness as much as some other teams.
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10-17-2018 , 01:45 AM
Florida, UK (away), Auburn is a legit rough stretch. Not sure who plays a harder three game stretch here on out.
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10-17-2018 , 02:00 AM
I did forget that UGA still has UMass to play, which likely explains the fall.
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10-17-2018 , 02:09 AM
Probably a couple Big 12 teams with tougher 3-game stretches. TT for example has @ISU, then Texass and OU.

Georgia also has GT and UMass left to round out their schedule.

Pretty much any Big 12 remaining schedule will be tougher than what Georgia has left unless it includes 2 of K-State, Baylor, and Kansas.
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10-17-2018 , 10:04 AM
NSFW btw

Spoiler:
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10-17-2018 , 10:37 AM
Wish I spoke French, I bet that was good :/
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10-17-2018 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
I'm fairly sure that within the decade they'll be genuinely better than teams like Oklahoma. The school is better located and draws on a similar talent pool. Why do you think FSU is so bad now?
What top tier recruits has FSU been losing to UCF recently? I can't name any. FSU is bad now mainly because Jimbo Fisher's scandal-plagued final years hurt recruiting, not because UCF got gud and starting taking all their recruits as a result.

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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
I'd anticipate something like has happened in basketball will happen in football. These academically mediocre second tier state schools have a recruiting advantage and should be able to field stronger and stronger teams. It may not be long before Georgia Southern is consistently the second best team in its state, UCF is already consistently the second best team in its state. What's better about FSU than UCF or South Florida for a random kid?
I'd like to see it happen, but there are many things working against it, most notably TV money. A "random kid" might not care, but top talent wants to play with other top talent and it wants to play on national television which it's not gonna do in the AAC. At least not now. If G5 conferences are ever able to demand similar TV money to P5 conferences then we've got something. And there's still the problem with the big boys not wanting to give them H&Hs because it's a reverse freeroll much of the time.

UCF luckboxed a great QB that everyone else appeared to have overlooked a la Carson Wentz and they're having a great run. I'm not ready to pretend it's anything more than that at this point. People (especially in and around Orlando) like to revise history a lot, but the fact is that prior to last year UCF was a middle-of-the-road AAC program at best, and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future.

Hell before last year they were coming off two straight losing seasons including 0-12 in 2015!
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10-17-2018 , 12:42 PM
Counterpoint; if top talent really wanted to play top talent then they'd all go to SEC West schools anyway. Also, Tallahassee and Gainesville suck ass compared to Tampa and Orlando.

Obviously most if not all VHTs will go UF or FSU, but there will be some who would choose based on it being a better location for them--especially given their recent success it's not like we're talking about a SunBelt team here. I mean Houston has an all-world defensive lineman *everybody* wanted just because he didn't want to leave Houston (with TAMU 2 hours' away) and that's even the worst campus I've ever seen including East Mississippi Community College!!!
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10-17-2018 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Yeah the people that still want UCF in the playoff just hate college football. As a fan, I want the 4 best teams that deserve to be there. UCF will never meet either of those criteria
Like, I get that they aren't one of the four best teams, but we have pretty good metrics for that. How have you determined that they will never be deserving?
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10-17-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Yeah the people that still want UCF in the playoff just hate college football. As a fan, I want the 4 best teams that deserve to be there. UCF will never meet either of those criteria
I am going to sound like a broken record, but the exact point is that the 4 best teams are not necessarily the same as the 4 that deserve to be there.

And, I've made my position clear that I think the latter is a much more enjoyable way to operate a sport.

Ironically, a G5 team is actually MUCH more likely to be one of the 4 best teams than they are to be one of the 4 most deserving.

Boise was #4 in the Sagarin Predictor in 2010 and #8 in 2011. And, if I recall, in 2010, Vegas rankings (which take into account blowouts and things like that) had them ~#2.
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10-17-2018 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Counterpoint; if top talent really wanted to play top talent then they'd all go to SEC West schools anyway. Also, Tallahassee and Gainesville suck ass compared to Tampa and Orlando.
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I dunno. Top talent didn't flood to the U in 2001 because they wanted to play against the Big East.
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10-17-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
Like, I get that they aren't one of the four best teams, but we have pretty good metrics for that. How have you determined that they will never be deserving?
Not trying to speak for yg, but my answer to this would be because of the conference they are in, because of the fact that they can't get H&Hs with decent P5 teams and the fact that they appear unwilling to take the cash to go and play 1-offs in Columbia, South Bend and Athens. When your toughest opponent year in and year out is Memphis, the committee is never going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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10-17-2018 , 03:25 PM


I forgot that this happened on my birthday, pretty sure this is the best gift I've ever gotten
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10-17-2018 , 03:39 PM
A) Had no idea that Dudd and I had the same birthday

B) As someone whose birthday present was tickets to that game, I do not share the same warm and fuzzy sentiment as Dudd does.
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10-17-2018 , 05:54 PM
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There are probably lots of reasons why this would be bad, but one would be that this would be a death sentence of sorts for the relegated team. The way recruitment works it would probably be difficult to make your way back once you got relegated. I envision all the top guys who committed to you during recruitment scrambling for a Div 1 team and now you suck for a long time..

Not to mention all the historic conference rivalries, money, schedules, etc that would be impacted..
It would make things more interesting for fans and give your really good G5 programs a legit path to P5 but I don't really see why any current P5 school especially the middling to bottom ones would ever have their Presidents/ADs agree to it.

In theory though it wouldn't be very difficult at all. It would be Subdivision regulation. Each P5 conference would pair with it's geographical equivalent G5 and after each season the conference champ in the G5 conference would move to the P5 conference for the following season and the loser of the relegation game (think reverse "CCG") would move down to the G5 conference for the following season.

SEC <-----> Sunbelt
B1G <-----> MAC
PAC12 <-----> MWC
ACC <-----> AAC/CUSA
Big 12 <------> AAC/CUSA

Neither the AAC or CUSA is as good of a geographic fit as the other three pairs but they could just rearrange the two conferences to make one a better fit for the Big 12 (ex: bring all the Texas schools and Tulsa together) and the ACC (ex: bring all the schools in the atlantic coast states together) But yeah, something like this would work pretty easily if you're just talking about the structure of it. The biggest thing would be dealing with the practical side of it which is the money and that would get pretty tricky.
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