Post here when coaches do something stupid-- the draft
ron rivera calls timeout to prevent the first half from running out, allowing the saints to kick a fg. carolina loses by 3
"I'm not into that" is a top 3 dumbass coach quote of all time
This was AMAZING in real time
When even Dick Stockton knows you ****ed up, you ****ed up. I don't think he's known his own name for the past decade
http://www.panthers.com/news/article...6-1bcf192436b3
so everyone knows about when ron rivera had a 4th and 1 with cam newton as his qb to WIN THE GAME ON THE SPOT against atlanta, decided to punt, and lost.
the very next season, facing a 4th and 1 with a 3 point lead and 1:42 to go, RON RIVERA once again decides to SEND OUT THE KICKING TEAM instead of letting newton gain a yard to win the game instantly
the field goal is good to go up 6, buffalo then scores a TD to win
so everyone knows about when ron rivera had a 4th and 1 with cam newton as his qb to WIN THE GAME ON THE SPOT against atlanta, decided to punt, and lost.
the very next season, facing a 4th and 1 with a 3 point lead and 1:42 to go, RON RIVERA once again decides to SEND OUT THE KICKING TEAM instead of letting newton gain a yard to win the game instantly
the field goal is good to go up 6, buffalo then scores a TD to win
I take, Mike Tomlin scores a TD rather than ending the game.
This imo is one of the dumbest decisions ever made by a coach. It's really really really hard to make a decision that affects your win % by a meaningful amount. I think this one slips under the radar for a couple reasons- 1) regardless of the decision they were still winning a very high % of the time, 2) they ultimately won, and 3) how could you not take the touchdown? Make no mistake, this is an enormous blunder that should be known.
Week 16, 2013, the Steelers have an outside shot at making the playoffs. They're 6-8 and likely need to win out. They're playing a Rodger-less Packers squad at home who is surprisingly hanging tough. The Steelers get the ball back tied 31-31 and the drive starts off pretty normal:
So they're gonna kick a FG and hope their defense can hold right? Not exactly, they catch a break.
So everyone here is smart and so we're all thinking the same thing- it's over right? I mean GB has 1 timeout left so the game is in Pittsburgh's hands.
Even better! The closest FG possible. All you have to do is knee the ball twice, maybe center it if necessary, call a timeout with 3 seconds left, and the only chance you don't win is if your kicker can't convert a 19 yard FG AND you lose to Matt Flynn in OT. And then it happened...
I wish I could put an exact number on it, but in a tie game with 3 seconds left at the opposing team's 1, you are >99% to win. You just have to be. Up 7 giving the other team the ball back, giving them the chance to score and go for 2, or score and win in OT...you are not nearly as high. And why, you ask, did this head coach making 7 figures a year to make decision for a billion dollar franchise make this decision?
There are no words. No mention that these conditions make it more likely the QB fumbles the snap or the RB fumbles, nah, he's just not into that. I've said it before, but there really isn't a profession in the entire world like head coaching. In the real world you make decisions that have consequences, if you **** up you are punished. These guys are constantly running around putting out fires with hoses filled with gasoline and not only are they not punished for their **** ups, they are praised as great minds of the game. It's absolutely unbelievable that this **** goes on week after week.
This imo is one of the dumbest decisions ever made by a coach. It's really really really hard to make a decision that affects your win % by a meaningful amount. I think this one slips under the radar for a couple reasons- 1) regardless of the decision they were still winning a very high % of the time, 2) they ultimately won, and 3) how could you not take the touchdown? Make no mistake, this is an enormous blunder that should be known.
Week 16, 2013, the Steelers have an outside shot at making the playoffs. They're 6-8 and likely need to win out. They're playing a Rodger-less Packers squad at home who is surprisingly hanging tough. The Steelers get the ball back tied 31-31 and the drive starts off pretty normal:
So they're gonna kick a FG and hope their defense can hold right? Not exactly, they catch a break.
So everyone here is smart and so we're all thinking the same thing- it's over right? I mean GB has 1 timeout left so the game is in Pittsburgh's hands.
Even better! The closest FG possible. All you have to do is knee the ball twice, maybe center it if necessary, call a timeout with 3 seconds left, and the only chance you don't win is if your kicker can't convert a 19 yard FG AND you lose to Matt Flynn in OT. And then it happened...
I wish I could put an exact number on it, but in a tie game with 3 seconds left at the opposing team's 1, you are >99% to win. You just have to be. Up 7 giving the other team the ball back, giving them the chance to score and go for 2, or score and win in OT...you are not nearly as high. And why, you ask, did this head coach making 7 figures a year to make decision for a billion dollar franchise make this decision?
There are no words. No mention that these conditions make it more likely the QB fumbles the snap or the RB fumbles, nah, he's just not into that. I've said it before, but there really isn't a profession in the entire world like head coaching. In the real world you make decisions that have consequences, if you **** up you are punished. These guys are constantly running around putting out fires with hoses filled with gasoline and not only are they not punished for their **** ups, they are praised as great minds of the game. It's absolutely unbelievable that this **** goes on week after week.
Haha I remember being pissed at TC for calling the time out thinking that no way the Redskins would try a trick play again.
rest of my draft board was
La Russa batting the pitcher 8th
and teh following, which didnt impact a game but was lol stupid,
La Russa batting the pitcher 8th
and teh following, which didnt impact a game but was lol stupid,
Spoiler:
just wanted to make this post before the 2017 NFL season kicks off.
as a Falcons fan....I promise our "coach" Dan Quinn will deliver at least 5-6 mentions in this thread throughout the season. i just dont understand how these idiots end up as head coaches...i think its time for NFL teams to create a new coaching position and abolish the Head Coach spot:
1.) HEAD MOTIVATOR COACH
2.) HEAD DECISION MAKER COACH
pleasssse NFL/Mr. Goodell do this!
as a Falcons fan....I promise our "coach" Dan Quinn will deliver at least 5-6 mentions in this thread throughout the season. i just dont understand how these idiots end up as head coaches...i think its time for NFL teams to create a new coaching position and abolish the Head Coach spot:
1.) HEAD MOTIVATOR COACH
2.) HEAD DECISION MAKER COACH
pleasssse NFL/Mr. Goodell do this!
I'm surprised Quinn kicking a field goal in that game a couple years back where they were down by four right around the 2 min warning hasn't been mentioned yet.
Let us go back to 2013, a much calmer time in soccerball whereby the concept of oil clubs spending recklessly was 15 million on Jesus Navas rather than 13 times that on Neymar. Manchester City, fresh off a season whereby they finished a clear 11 points behind a soon to be irrelevant cross-city rivals Manchester United, had a good start to the season, and in the Champions League, despite having been drawn in a group with defending champions Bayern Munich, had qualified for the knockout stages with a game to spare, and sat three points behind Bayern, so in order to win the group, they would have to win in Germany by a better result than what they lost by at home, Bayern taking that game 3-1.
This seems like quite the hard task, and as such Manuel Pellegrini rotated his lineup somewhat, leaving lynchpin striker Sergio Aguero on the bench and rolling out a starting eleven featuring such quality players as Javi Garcia, Joleon Lescott, Micah Richards and Jesus Navas.
The game starts badly with Bayern racing into a two goal lead within a quarter of an hour, making what would be a tough task for City nigh on impossible. David Silva gave them a lifeline to make it 2-1 at half time, before a Kolarov penalty and James Milner finish made it 3-2 to the visitors with around half an hour to go.
At this stage, City would need just one goal to advance as group winners - a 4-2 win putting them level with Bayern on head to head, but with the crucial fourth away goal being the difference. The score stays the same until late in the game, when Pellegrini uses his last substitution to take off Edin Dzeko, City's only starting striker, and replaces him with crap English defensive midfielder Jack Rodwell (last seen somewhere in Sunderland's treatment room), leaving Aguero on the bench, and the game finishes 3-2.
Why would Pellegrini not throw on his best player when one goal would make an enormous difference to their chances of winning the cup? A clue can be worked out from various post match interviews:
No, Manuel, the tiebreaker isn't overall goal difference (where City would have needed a fifth goal), read the rules you moran
Bayern go on to get the closest thing to a free win in the last sixteen stage as they're drawn against Arsenal, while City end up with arguably a harder opponent in Barcelona, easily going out 4-1 over two legs.
This seems like quite the hard task, and as such Manuel Pellegrini rotated his lineup somewhat, leaving lynchpin striker Sergio Aguero on the bench and rolling out a starting eleven featuring such quality players as Javi Garcia, Joleon Lescott, Micah Richards and Jesus Navas.
The game starts badly with Bayern racing into a two goal lead within a quarter of an hour, making what would be a tough task for City nigh on impossible. David Silva gave them a lifeline to make it 2-1 at half time, before a Kolarov penalty and James Milner finish made it 3-2 to the visitors with around half an hour to go.
At this stage, City would need just one goal to advance as group winners - a 4-2 win putting them level with Bayern on head to head, but with the crucial fourth away goal being the difference. The score stays the same until late in the game, when Pellegrini uses his last substitution to take off Edin Dzeko, City's only starting striker, and replaces him with crap English defensive midfielder Jack Rodwell (last seen somewhere in Sunderland's treatment room), leaving Aguero on the bench, and the game finishes 3-2.
Why would Pellegrini not throw on his best player when one goal would make an enormous difference to their chances of winning the cup? A clue can be worked out from various post match interviews:
Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph
When Milner put City ahead, Pellegrini made a tactical change by taking off David Silva and Edin Dzeko and his team played on the counter-attack in the closing stages.
Milner, an outstanding performer on the night, said: "We didn’t know if 4-2 would be enough or if we would need 5-2. We thought it needed to be 5-2 to be honest. It’s not easy to score three goals here, so to score four would have been a tough task. It’s pleasing to score three goals at a place like this and we’re going to need to do that in the next round.
We’re slightly disappointed we did not finish top of the group. But to be slightly disappointed at beating Bayern Munich in their own ground is pretty pleasing."
Pellegrini was asked if he realised a 4-2 win would have put City ahead of Bayern, and indicated he would have made a substitution if he thought his side needed a fifth goal.
"Maybe if we had have scored a fourth goal I would have made the change," Pellegrini said.
Milner, an outstanding performer on the night, said: "We didn’t know if 4-2 would be enough or if we would need 5-2. We thought it needed to be 5-2 to be honest. It’s not easy to score three goals here, so to score four would have been a tough task. It’s pleasing to score three goals at a place like this and we’re going to need to do that in the next round.
We’re slightly disappointed we did not finish top of the group. But to be slightly disappointed at beating Bayern Munich in their own ground is pretty pleasing."
Pellegrini was asked if he realised a 4-2 win would have put City ahead of Bayern, and indicated he would have made a substitution if he thought his side needed a fifth goal.
"Maybe if we had have scored a fourth goal I would have made the change," Pellegrini said.
Bayern go on to get the closest thing to a free win in the last sixteen stage as they're drawn against Arsenal, while City end up with arguably a harder opponent in Barcelona, easily going out 4-1 over two legs.
Imagine if Tom Brady threw a bad interception in the second quarter of the Super Bowl that tied the game, and Bill Belichick went insane and benched him for Jimmy Garoppolo, and then lost to the Minnesota Golden Gophers, who had somehow won the NFC championship despite not actually being professionals. That would surely be the worst coaching decision of all time, right?
Gentlemen, I submit that Viktor Tikhonov benches Tretiak in the Miracle On Ice Game is the worst coaching decision of all time.
Background: Vladislav Tretiak was widely regarded as the best goalkeeper in the world at the time. In 2008, he was named to the Centennial All-Star Team, naming the single best player at each position in the entire history of international hockey. So, yeah, he's pretty good. At the time of the 1980 Olympics, he was age 27, in his prime, and had won two gold medals and seven world championship golds while being the primary goalie for the Russian team since about 1971.
So, they're playing the Americans (who they beat 10-3 in a warmup game), and Tretiak happens to give up a couple of semi-soft goals, including one with one second left in the period when he gave up a long rebound and his defense quit on him:
So, whatever, it's tied 2-2 after one period, you're outshooting the other team 18-8, you're clearly the best team, go ahead and win... butnaaaaaaaaah.
Viktor Tikhonov, the Russian coach, decided that he didn't like Tretiak all of a sudden and decided to bench him for the backup, Vladimir Myshkin. Myshkin didn't have a lot to do in the second period, stopping all two of the American shots, and the Soviets led 3-2, which meant that he might get away with this... butnaaaah, and the rest is history:
Let's see what people think about this decision.
Russian player Sergei Makarov: "The whole team was not happy when Tikhonov made the switch. It was the worst moment of Vlady's career. Tikhonov was panicking. He couldn't control himself. That's what it was -- panic." "Every goal for (Tretiak) was like a tragedy," Makarov said. "If he let up a bad goal, that was it. He didn't like to be screamed at. You didn't need to scream at him. He would shut the door. There would not be any more."
Or, let's ask the idiot coach himself: "The biggest mistake of my career. Tretiak always played better after he gave up a goal. The decision was a result of getting caught up in emotions. After Tretiak gave up the rebound and let in the soft goal by Johnson, my blood was boiling. It was my worst mistake, my biggest regret."
So, yeah, dictator coach pulls best goalie of all time because he panicked. There you go.
As a footnote, with the Russians trailing 4-3 in the waning minutes, Tikhonov panicked again and never pulled the goalie. Myshkin was still in net when miracles were believed in.
Gentlemen, I submit that Viktor Tikhonov benches Tretiak in the Miracle On Ice Game is the worst coaching decision of all time.
Background: Vladislav Tretiak was widely regarded as the best goalkeeper in the world at the time. In 2008, he was named to the Centennial All-Star Team, naming the single best player at each position in the entire history of international hockey. So, yeah, he's pretty good. At the time of the 1980 Olympics, he was age 27, in his prime, and had won two gold medals and seven world championship golds while being the primary goalie for the Russian team since about 1971.
So, they're playing the Americans (who they beat 10-3 in a warmup game), and Tretiak happens to give up a couple of semi-soft goals, including one with one second left in the period when he gave up a long rebound and his defense quit on him:
So, whatever, it's tied 2-2 after one period, you're outshooting the other team 18-8, you're clearly the best team, go ahead and win... butnaaaaaaaaah.
Viktor Tikhonov, the Russian coach, decided that he didn't like Tretiak all of a sudden and decided to bench him for the backup, Vladimir Myshkin. Myshkin didn't have a lot to do in the second period, stopping all two of the American shots, and the Soviets led 3-2, which meant that he might get away with this... butnaaaah, and the rest is history:
Let's see what people think about this decision.
Russian player Sergei Makarov: "The whole team was not happy when Tikhonov made the switch. It was the worst moment of Vlady's career. Tikhonov was panicking. He couldn't control himself. That's what it was -- panic." "Every goal for (Tretiak) was like a tragedy," Makarov said. "If he let up a bad goal, that was it. He didn't like to be screamed at. You didn't need to scream at him. He would shut the door. There would not be any more."
Or, let's ask the idiot coach himself: "The biggest mistake of my career. Tretiak always played better after he gave up a goal. The decision was a result of getting caught up in emotions. After Tretiak gave up the rebound and let in the soft goal by Johnson, my blood was boiling. It was my worst mistake, my biggest regret."
So, yeah, dictator coach pulls best goalie of all time because he panicked. There you go.
As a footnote, with the Russians trailing 4-3 in the waning minutes, Tikhonov panicked again and never pulled the goalie. Myshkin was still in net when miracles were believed in.
That was the one I was thinking of. Honestly could have gone first overall.
Was well aware of the Miracle on Ice but had no idea the GOAT goaltender got benched during the game. Thanks for sharing, that was a good one!
tbf win equity didnt change since USA#1 WIM was a lock
I have one. 2007 American League Division Series between the Yankees and Indians. Indians won Game 1 and Yankees were winning 1-0 in the 8th inning. If they win, the series is tied and they go back to NY for Games 3 and 4. Rookie sensation Joba Chamberlain is pitching. His ERA was 0.38, ERA+ of 1221, and 0.750 WHIP. Not bad for a rookie. Not bad. Plus Mariano Rivera is available to pitch. What can possibly go wrong?
Midges. They ate Joba up. He didn't give up a single hit. However, only 12 of his 25 pitches were strikes. He was what you call distracted. At any point, Joe Torre could have taken the team off the field. Instead, he left Joba out to dry. 2 walks, 2 wild pitches and 1 hit batsman later, the score was tied. Yankees would lose in 11 and go back to NY down 2-0.
Midges. They ate Joba up. He didn't give up a single hit. However, only 12 of his 25 pitches were strikes. He was what you call distracted. At any point, Joe Torre could have taken the team off the field. Instead, he left Joba out to dry. 2 walks, 2 wild pitches and 1 hit batsman later, the score was tied. Yankees would lose in 11 and go back to NY down 2-0.
Mike Smith kneels 3 times, then punts to DeSean Jackson.
2011, week 2. Falcons vs. Eagles.
MIKE vs. the DREAM TEAM.
Falcons up 35-31. Eagles turn the ball over on 4th down with 1:41 left in the game. Eagles have 1 timeout, on the Atlanta 22.
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
MIKE has Ryan kneel 3 times even though they can't run out the clock, then takes a timeout, then punts the ball to DeSean Jackson, the only guy who can beat them. Doesn't attempt to get a 1st down at any point.
On the other side, Andy Reid only uses 1 of his timeouts, since he burned one right after the first play after the 2 minute warning. Didn't even call 2 plays during the 2 minute break. LOL
Luckily for the Falcons, they still won the game, but an incredible double dip of endgame clock mismanagement on both sides. They literally couldn't do 5th grade math.
2011, week 2. Falcons vs. Eagles.
MIKE vs. the DREAM TEAM.
Falcons up 35-31. Eagles turn the ball over on 4th down with 1:41 left in the game. Eagles have 1 timeout, on the Atlanta 22.
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
EAGLES HAVE 1 TIMEOUT
1:41 left in the game
MIKE has Ryan kneel 3 times even though they can't run out the clock, then takes a timeout, then punts the ball to DeSean Jackson, the only guy who can beat them. Doesn't attempt to get a 1st down at any point.
On the other side, Andy Reid only uses 1 of his timeouts, since he burned one right after the first play after the 2 minute warning. Didn't even call 2 plays during the 2 minute break. LOL
Luckily for the Falcons, they still won the game, but an incredible double dip of endgame clock mismanagement on both sides. They literally couldn't do 5th grade math.
To be fair, you could write a book about Andy Reid's clock management issues. In the Super Bowl, Reid was so bad that Bill Belichick had to make sure his team was in the lead.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/30993871/...ime-management
http://www.kctv5.com/story/30993871/...ime-management
The hope solo benching during the US dominating women's soccerball team era in the semifinals of the world cup in 07. They lost 4-0.
Calling timeout, then challenging, then losing the challenge thus losing another timeout.--various coaches.
Calling timeout, then challenging, then losing the challenge thus losing another timeout.--various coaches.
2p2 forums would've been fun with this one
Barry Switzer went for it on fourth and a foot from his own 29 in a tie game with 2 minutes left against the eagles. He didn't want to punt into the wind.
You can guess what happened, they didn't get that foot. Eagles win on a FG.
Barry Switzer went for it on fourth and a foot from his own 29 in a tie game with 2 minutes left against the eagles. He didn't want to punt into the wind.
You can guess what happened, they didn't get that foot. Eagles win on a FG.
k, I cheated to get this one
Baylor UNLV 1999
Baylor leads 24-21 with 27 seconds left on UNLV's 8 yard line. UNLV has no timeouts.
Since it's this thread, you already know they did not take a knee.
Baylor runs the football, RB fumbles at the 1 and it bounces straight up in the hands of a UNLV player who runs it back for a 99 yard touchdown.
This game was @ Baylor.
Baylor UNLV 1999
Baylor leads 24-21 with 27 seconds left on UNLV's 8 yard line. UNLV has no timeouts.
Since it's this thread, you already know they did not take a knee.
Baylor runs the football, RB fumbles at the 1 and it bounces straight up in the hands of a UNLV player who runs it back for a 99 yard touchdown.
This game was @ Baylor.
Can i take that coach that went for 2 in college when down 1 when a tie would win them the national title because he didn't want a tie on his record.
Might have been Nebraska or Oklahoma? Saw it in an espn doco once
Might have been Nebraska or Oklahoma? Saw it in an espn doco once
Thought about joining late and just picking Fat Mike decisions.
2013 final game of the season at Chicago. Winner goes to the playoffs loser is eliminated. Packers score a TD with 11 minutes left in the 4th to bring it within 2. Fat Mike elects to kick the XP because he's the dumbest human being in the world. Rodgers bails him out with a 4th and 8 TD pass to Cobb with 40 seconds left and the nightmare continues.
2013 final game of the season at Chicago. Winner goes to the playoffs loser is eliminated. Packers score a TD with 11 minutes left in the 4th to bring it within 2. Fat Mike elects to kick the XP because he's the dumbest human being in the world. Rodgers bails him out with a 4th and 8 TD pass to Cobb with 40 seconds left and the nightmare continues.
2016 playoff game at Arizona. Packers offense is without Adams, Cobb and Jordy. They have practice squad players playing wide receiver. Rodgers completes a 4th and 22 from his own end zone and then a miracle hail mary to bring the game within 1 with no time remaining. Instead of going for 2 with the best player of all time and grabbing a win Fat Mike elects to kick the XP and try and win a coin flip so his not NFL quality offense can somehow score again. Packers lose the toss and don't see the ball.
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