Post here when coaches do something stupid-- the draft
Also that's an atrocious first pick, JFC
Any decision where people vehemently argued that it wasn't a mistake is a terrible choice to go first overall. There are so many coaching blunders out there that are 100% hilarious idiocy that no one can defend, just not on as big a stage. Would have not selected that at any point in this draft, let alone first overall
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Your coach:
Cancer Chilly
The play:
I don't think I've ever laughed harder at a play in my life. I didn't know what they were trying to do then, and I still don't know now. I'd write it up, but how could I possibly explain it? All I know is that on 4th and 3 in a 6 point game in the middle of the third quarter, they decided to snap the ball to Colt Anderson, a safety, with only Griff Whalen, a wide receiver, to block multiple Patriots lined up across from him. In the words of Cris Collinsworth, what the heck........
(oh yeah, and they were also lined up illegally, fine work all around)
Cancer Chilly
The play:
I don't think I've ever laughed harder at a play in my life. I didn't know what they were trying to do then, and I still don't know now. I'd write it up, but how could I possibly explain it? All I know is that on 4th and 3 in a 6 point game in the middle of the third quarter, they decided to snap the ball to Colt Anderson, a safety, with only Griff Whalen, a wide receiver, to block multiple Patriots lined up across from him. In the words of Cris Collinsworth, what the heck........
(oh yeah, and they were also lined up illegally, fine work all around)
Think pete Carroll prob the clear #1 given the context. Just horrendous
Just busted out laughing at the colts video again. Incredible work all around.
The indignant defense of that play by Pagano adds value.
This would be the perfect draft for me to participate in my first SE draft. Unfortunately, very busy next few day and I'm out of town on vacation till the 6th starting next week
Any decision where people vehemently argued that it wasn't a mistake is a terrible choice to go first overall. There are so many coaching blunders out there that are 100% hilarious idiocy that no one can defend, just not on as big a stage. Would have not selected that at any point in this draft, let alone first overall
And I'm someone who really hated that call.
I'll be sweating this one. Fun concept!
aw i wanted the colts one, stupidest thing ive ever seen live
The explanation of the colts play is essentially they ran it in practice, but dude who snapped the ball for it got hurt like last day of practice before the game. They were told don't snap the ball if X patriots were there and just take the delay. They forgot the new guy didn't know this and so he snapped the ball. Ofc you'd hope he'd have some critical thinking ability with 4/5 patriots over there but a fringe NFL'er ain't gonna go against what he thinks the coach wants him to do.
They were trying to catch the patriots only lining up one over the center so they could get a free first down.
Stuff like that with a player screwing up the play happens every game; just not in such amazingly hilarious fashion.
tl;dr they ****ed up not telling the new guy and it turned into an all time great LOL coaching moment.
They were trying to catch the patriots only lining up one over the center so they could get a free first down.
Stuff like that with a player screwing up the play happens every game; just not in such amazingly hilarious fashion.
tl;dr they ****ed up not telling the new guy and it turned into an all time great LOL coaching moment.
The play
Jim Schwartz challenge vs the Texans, Thanksgiving 2012
The scene
2012.
2011 the Lions had made the playoffs for the first tiime in eons, and with an improving Stafford and Megatron were set to possibly be half legit for the first time in decades. After a reasonable start, the team had lost a few in a row to fall to 4-6, making the Thanksgiving game vs Texans essentially a do or die matchup.
The Lions led at halftime and then this happened
Jim Schwartz challenged a scoring play, which back in the day, the NFL in all their wisdom decided that by challenging a play that couldn't be challenge meant that oh well, you lose, TD stands. The logic being
- Coaches can't challenge scoring plays
- Challenging an unchallengable play is a foul
- On a scoring play, review may occur except when a team commits a foul that delays the next snap
- Therefore, lol-lions.
The Lions went on to lose the game in OT, and lost every game the rest of the season. Schwartz would eventually be fired the following season after missing the playoffs again in 2013. The NFL would change the rules the following season to no longer make this scenario a possibility.
Spoiler:
Jim Schwartz challenge vs the Texans, Thanksgiving 2012
The scene
2012.
2011 the Lions had made the playoffs for the first tiime in eons, and with an improving Stafford and Megatron were set to possibly be half legit for the first time in decades. After a reasonable start, the team had lost a few in a row to fall to 4-6, making the Thanksgiving game vs Texans essentially a do or die matchup.
The Lions led at halftime and then this happened
Jim Schwartz challenged a scoring play, which back in the day, the NFL in all their wisdom decided that by challenging a play that couldn't be challenge meant that oh well, you lose, TD stands. The logic being
- Coaches can't challenge scoring plays
- Challenging an unchallengable play is a foul
- On a scoring play, review may occur except when a team commits a foul that delays the next snap
- Therefore, lol-lions.
The Lions went on to lose the game in OT, and lost every game the rest of the season. Schwartz would eventually be fired the following season after missing the playoffs again in 2013. The NFL would change the rules the following season to no longer make this scenario a possibility.
oh yeah brilliant pick, had forgotten. my thoughts at the time, which i stand by:
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bad call on field, 80 yard TD run gonna be called back, but before the refs review it, he throws his challenge flag.
rule states that if u throw ur flag in a spot where there's an auto review then you forfiet your right to the review and get a 15 yd penalty on top.
so basically he cost his team 95 yards and 7 points with his decision to throw his flag.
rule states that if u throw ur flag in a spot where there's an auto review then you forfiet your right to the review and get a 15 yd penalty on top.
so basically he cost his team 95 yards and 7 points with his decision to throw his flag.
Schwartz pick is excellent
Also, to add
From now on everyone should be posting the live reactions from 2+2 at the time with their pick.
Also, CDL has been PM'ed
From now on everyone should be posting the live reactions from 2+2 at the time with their pick.
Also, CDL has been PM'ed
Also, IMO the Colts pick was better than the SB pick as a decision IMO for a bunch of different reasons (namely the time-out situation).
here and considering my options. Does it have to be a specific play or can it be a longer sequence or series of poor decisions?
i have a long series of poor decisions on my radar, was just gonna pick one instance out at random for the writeup
coach doing the same stupid thing over and over and over again has to be worth extra credit imo even if each particular instance isn't as damaging as schwartzflag
coach doing the same stupid thing over and over and over again has to be worth extra credit imo even if each particular instance isn't as damaging as schwartzflag
ok, cool.
To move the draft along I will pick everything FAT MIKE did in the 2015 NFC Championship against the Seahawks.
The cliffs are:
-kicking a FG from the 1 yard line in a 0-0 game as an 8.5 point underdog
-kicking a FG from the 1 yard line in a 3-0 game literally 3 minutes later after getting the ball back on a fumbled kickoff
-kicking a FG on 4th and 1 from the 22 in a 13-0 game
-establishing FAT EDDIE 21 times against a great defense despite having a QB who was playing at the highest level ever
-getting the ball back with ~7 min left in the game up 12 and immediately going 3 and out then getting the ball back after an interception and immediately going 3 and out again while running a total of 3 minutes of clock
-playing prevent defense and allowing the seahawks to march 69 yards in 7 plays and 1:43 to cut the lead to 5
-playing prevent defense again after allowing them to get an onside kick and allowing them to go 50 yards in 4 plays and :44
-moving the ball downfield to the 36 with :43 left in the game down 3 and settling for a 48 yard FG despite having a QB who is known for making miracles happen and scoring when he needs to late
I'll post the 2p2 reactions in a separate post.
To move the draft along I will pick everything FAT MIKE did in the 2015 NFC Championship against the Seahawks.
The cliffs are:
-kicking a FG from the 1 yard line in a 0-0 game as an 8.5 point underdog
-kicking a FG from the 1 yard line in a 3-0 game literally 3 minutes later after getting the ball back on a fumbled kickoff
-kicking a FG on 4th and 1 from the 22 in a 13-0 game
-establishing FAT EDDIE 21 times against a great defense despite having a QB who was playing at the highest level ever
-getting the ball back with ~7 min left in the game up 12 and immediately going 3 and out then getting the ball back after an interception and immediately going 3 and out again while running a total of 3 minutes of clock
-playing prevent defense and allowing the seahawks to march 69 yards in 7 plays and 1:43 to cut the lead to 5
-playing prevent defense again after allowing them to get an onside kick and allowing them to go 50 yards in 4 plays and :44
-moving the ball downfield to the 36 with :43 left in the game down 3 and settling for a 48 yard FG despite having a QB who is known for making miracles happen and scoring when he needs to late
4th and Goal at SEA 1
(8:07 - 1st) M.Crosby 18 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
4th and Goal at SEA 1
(5:07 - 1st) M.Crosby 19 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
4th and 1 at SEA 22
(9:37 - 2nd) M.Crosby 40 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
1st and 10 at GB 13
(6:53 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Starks right end to GB 14 for 1 yard (K.Wright).
2nd and 9 at GB 14
(6:09 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Starks up the middle to GB 19 for 5 yards (K.Wright).
3rd and 4 at GB 19
(5:26 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Quarless (K.Wright).
4th and 4 at GB 19
(5:22 - 4th) T.Masthay punts 37 yards to SEA 44, Center-B.Goode. B.Walters to SEA 46 for 2 yards (D.House; B.Bostick)
1st and 10 at GB 43
(5:04 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 39 for -4 yards (K.Williams).
(4:57 - 4th) Timeout #1 by SEA at 04:57.
2nd and 14 at GB 39
(4:57 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 37 for -2 yards (M.Bennett).
(4:50 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 04:50.
3rd and 16 at GB 37
(4:50 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy up the middle to GB 39 for 2 yards (B.Wagner; M.Bennett).
4th and 14 at GB 39
(4:00 - 4th) T.Masthay punts 30 yards to SEA 31, Center-B.Goode, out of bounds.
1st and 10 at SEA 36
(0:35 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to E.Lacy.
2nd and 10 at SEA 36
(0:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to R.Rodgers.
3rd and 10 at SEA 36
(0:26 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to SEA 30 for 6 yards (R.Sherman) [L.Cohen].
(0:19 - 4th) Timeout #1 by GB at 00:19.
4th and 4 at SEA 30
(0:14 - 4th) M.Crosby 48 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
(8:07 - 1st) M.Crosby 18 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
4th and Goal at SEA 1
(5:07 - 1st) M.Crosby 19 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
4th and 1 at SEA 22
(9:37 - 2nd) M.Crosby 40 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
1st and 10 at GB 13
(6:53 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Starks right end to GB 14 for 1 yard (K.Wright).
2nd and 9 at GB 14
(6:09 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Starks up the middle to GB 19 for 5 yards (K.Wright).
3rd and 4 at GB 19
(5:26 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Quarless (K.Wright).
4th and 4 at GB 19
(5:22 - 4th) T.Masthay punts 37 yards to SEA 44, Center-B.Goode. B.Walters to SEA 46 for 2 yards (D.House; B.Bostick)
1st and 10 at GB 43
(5:04 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 39 for -4 yards (K.Williams).
(4:57 - 4th) Timeout #1 by SEA at 04:57.
2nd and 14 at GB 39
(4:57 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 37 for -2 yards (M.Bennett).
(4:50 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 04:50.
3rd and 16 at GB 37
(4:50 - 4th) (Shotgun) E.Lacy up the middle to GB 39 for 2 yards (B.Wagner; M.Bennett).
4th and 14 at GB 39
(4:00 - 4th) T.Masthay punts 30 yards to SEA 31, Center-B.Goode, out of bounds.
1st and 10 at SEA 36
(0:35 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to E.Lacy.
2nd and 10 at SEA 36
(0:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to R.Rodgers.
3rd and 10 at SEA 36
(0:26 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to SEA 30 for 6 yards (R.Sherman) [L.Cohen].
(0:19 - 4th) Timeout #1 by GB at 00:19.
4th and 4 at SEA 30
(0:14 - 4th) M.Crosby 48 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.
I'll post the 2p2 reactions in a separate post.
And that video didn't even show Belichick's incredulous, confused look during the play.
Excellent pick CDL
Awesome pick, looking forward to in game reactions, pretty sure I was hyperventilating with rage
ill have dan quinn blows the superbowl
the whole 4th quarter was an abomination but i'll focus on the play which took them out of FG range b/c imo it's the most prominent brown jewel in dan quinn's crown of failure
falcons are firmly in control in part due to this mad bastard catch
score is 28-20, 4 minutes to go. falcons have the ball 2nd at 11 on the pats 23 yard line. a FG goal attempt from here would be a 40 yarder. they have matt bryant, one of the best kickers in the league.
two runs into the line and a good FG means the pats would have about 3:30 and 1 timeout to score a TD, a 2 point conversion, recover an onside and kick a FG for a tie. thom bardy is exceptionally good at cheating but that's a lot to ask
if you want to get super fancy then why not a sweep play? pats will prolly be clogging the middle (because only a complete arse would do something other than run into the line twice), so maybe you'll find some space out there. just be careful not to run OOB as stopping the clock would be worst case scenario
instead the falcons opted for the slow developing shotgun snap + 7 step drop roflbonanza play, risking not just the worst case scenario but, as it turned out, something much worse than the worst case scenario: a 15 yard sack taking the falcons out to the very edge of FG range and, as it turned out, out of lombardi trophy grasping range
and the bad coach thread,
the whole 4th quarter was an abomination but i'll focus on the play which took them out of FG range b/c imo it's the most prominent brown jewel in dan quinn's crown of failure
falcons are firmly in control in part due to this mad bastard catch
score is 28-20, 4 minutes to go. falcons have the ball 2nd at 11 on the pats 23 yard line. a FG goal attempt from here would be a 40 yarder. they have matt bryant, one of the best kickers in the league.
two runs into the line and a good FG means the pats would have about 3:30 and 1 timeout to score a TD, a 2 point conversion, recover an onside and kick a FG for a tie. thom bardy is exceptionally good at cheating but that's a lot to ask
if you want to get super fancy then why not a sweep play? pats will prolly be clogging the middle (because only a complete arse would do something other than run into the line twice), so maybe you'll find some space out there. just be careful not to run OOB as stopping the clock would be worst case scenario
instead the falcons opted for the slow developing shotgun snap + 7 step drop roflbonanza play, risking not just the worst case scenario but, as it turned out, something much worse than the worst case scenario: a 15 yard sack taking the falcons out to the very edge of FG range and, as it turned out, out of lombardi trophy grasping range
Prior to 2nd down. I turned to friend next to me and said, "I'm running it up the middle 3 times here and kicking the field" [when up 8] "I'd be afraid of something bad happening." Bam sack. Bam holding penalty.
I've posted this stuff so many times so it feels sooooooo good. They're over 80% to make the field goal there, but every team is too man enough to basically take 3 knees and kick a field goal. Sorry Dan. Game over. You suck
So many lols. Snapping ball with sooo much time left on play clock with running game clock. Patriots kick field goal down 19??? Bahahahahahahaha. Thought I'd die before a team had 2 TDs and convert both 2 pointers to tie game.
See ya guys in September!
I've posted this stuff so many times so it feels sooooooo good. They're over 80% to make the field goal there, but every team is too man enough to basically take 3 knees and kick a field goal. Sorry Dan. Game over. You suck
So many lols. Snapping ball with sooo much time left on play clock with running game clock. Patriots kick field goal down 19??? Bahahahahahahaha. Thought I'd die before a team had 2 TDs and convert both 2 pointers to tie game.
See ya guys in September!
there's a difference between conservative play for no reason and just game theory optimal playcalling that happens to be conservative. passing some % of the time might be right based on defensive looks and randomization of play calling but the % is exceedingly low, and the pass plays you should call probably don't allow for sacks of that magnitude to be at all common.
I'm pretty amused that half of the top picks in the draft are variations of "idiot coach runs too much" and "idiot coach doesn't run enough"
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