idiots who spew nonsense... you mean people you don't agree with? interesting approach insult the guy then try to get a response lol.

Don't call me an idiot, I don't get why you started making personal attacks @ me and this is the 2nd or 3rd time you've done it. I responded once in kind (learn to post better), but I'm done responding to you after this. You might think I'm a complete dip**** who doesn't understand anything about football with an IQ of 40 because I'm arguing a position, but it really isn't necessary to start calling me out.

As far as my position:
I don't think you understand that most people in this thread think it's literally impossible for Tebow to be even a league average QB. 0% possibility I'm arguing that it is possible, and more. Which doesn't really matter what the % is. I'm not arbitrarily assigning peaks to random people, and I don't really get how you think I would give lebron a peak at all considering he's 30 or something and never played a down of cfb. He probably had a decent TE peak back in 9th grade or some ****, possibly better than some current NFL TE's but obviously that's not the way it broke down. All Tebow has to do is throw the goddamn ****ing ball better, and he's already league average. With even more potential than league average guys.

This has obviously run its course, but I'm not backing off what I said.

That's not the point...I think Tebow is basically missing how to throw the ****ing ball. Vernon would have to learn the entire QB postion and might not have the right mental/physical makeup and is ldo too old to do either. That's why he's a TE.

sorry about the personal attacks, you're right they were out of line.

i guess we just can agree to disagree on the difficulty of "throwing the goddamm ****ing ball better" and the likelyhood of someone with tebow's development arc of doing it.

that being said, i can't really disagree that it's possible, but i think making the leap from its possible to he has the ceiling of a top 3 QB is a mistake. at least in my experience, when discussing ceilings, you give someone a ceiling that has at least a decent chance of happening. not slightly above 0

I apologize too, I was getting upset and being an ass as well and I realize the absurdity of my position. I just don't get how people can't dismiss a young NFL caliber player as having no chance of improving to a nice level. Obv top 3 is a huge exaggeration and I concede that point I guess. I just don't think his ceiling is as low as people are thinking.

I !@#$ing rooting for Tebow 10X more now. I hope he catches on somewhere and comes back to rail Elway and friends for never believing. sorry (not believing-fake believing-then face @!#$ing him)

and lol at talking Tebow stats. He doesn't care about fantasy, all he cares about is the scoreboard. He plays ugly.. that is how he plays. Just unreal the level of doubt that gets cast on this guy. Elway just gave him some Jesus Christ inspiration to prove himself all over again. He's pissed! I want to see what a pissed off Tebow can do.

He's also missing how to read an NFL defense which is kind of important

I feel like I'm being trolled here

I hope Elway loses just because he's one of those people that just pisses me off re: LBJ, Austin Rivers, and Rapelisburger

what did Lyndon Johnson ever do to make you hate him?

I think Chilly was driving Peyton in that SUV.

Agree to disagree on Tebow and Elway. The AFC West continues to be a battle of a division with 4 capable teams. This notion that it is a cake division is ridiculous... when they beat up on each other. It's a tough division imo.

Tebow to the Jags, 1x

that's b/c the headline #'s aren't really super important, the structure is, and it take a bit of time for those details to come out. I am seeing:

I am seeing that basically he is getting $18m guaranteed for this year

if he passes his March 2013 physical, it activates a 40M guarantee, paid as 20M salary in 2013 and 2014. then for 2015 and 16 he gets $19m in salary (but these 2 years aren't guaranteed)

Not a terrible structure for Broncos. Surprised Manning agreed to that. Probably in exchange for the crazy #'s

i see, Ty for info

Great structure if true.

Because i'm awesome and your not? What are you the response police that makes sure only certain people deemed worthy enough via your opinion get responded to. Is there a pre-approval list? or you just making this up as you go along...

And, great now if Broncos miss the playoffs it because of schedule. Where as they keep Tebow and miss the playoffs because of Tebow.

Do they still have cap room to sign Wallace. Their current WRs are lacking imo especially given DThomas gets hurt constantly

you should know soon if they're pursuing him because they have to offer him a contract today if they're gonna do it.

edit: n/m deadline is 4/20 not 3/20
it seems a lot like the contract he agreed to with the colts last year except with less guaranteed and that was when he was a year younger and before he missed a season.

I think they have $20mil left? Should be plenty.

He doesn't even know what "mad" is, let's not get ahead of ourselves here

Would be kinda lol if Manning somehow makes it through that 2013 physical then has another set back. $60 mill in guaranteed money just for passing physicals, and another $20 mil just for showing up.



heh

Yup, like 26 million left.

wat

pretty sure you're not the one who understands what "mad" is and the way the term is used on these forums. Tebow gets people mad here, especially re: religion. If you don't realize that then you must be reading a different forum than I am.