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Old 03-16-2017, 10:44 PM   #17151
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Re: Penn State Covers Up For a Pedophile: The Cult is Alive and Well

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/03...ncart_election

Seriously - with the Prez being next to plead out how can the university and the fans still support joepa? What an absolute joke of a university community. Seem like joepa was the only person on the coaching staff / admin that didn't know what was happening or was involved in the cover-up. And the HV cult buys it hook line and sinker. Pitiful.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:38 AM   #17152
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Seriously - with the Prez being next to plead out how can the university and the fans still support joepa?
Because he followed the law? He did exactly what the law specifically states he was supposed to do. Everyone agrees on this point, or at least anyone who has half a brain and has bothered to do any real research does.

You may not like it, but it's the law. That's why the NCAA had to back down. So if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who make the laws, not at those who followed them.

The right people are being punished here. No need to punish the ones who did the right thing, at least as far as the law is concerned.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:59 AM   #17153
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GTFO.

JoePa sent a personal letter, threatening to give a player negative job recommendations, over $12.99. He also sent a copy to the players' parents. Some would call that going above and beyond the call of duty.

Yet JoePa's deliberate inaction and looking the other way - after multiple instances of direct reports of Sandusky's activities - led to young boys being raped for another decade. He saw Sandusky with kids for years after all of this.

I wish I believed in Hell - because if it exists JoePa is rotting in it right now.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:39 AM   #17154
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LOOL

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Joe Paterno Letter to a Player

It's hard to believe the things I've kept over the years but I found the attached letter from Joe after I graduated in 1982. Tell me what other football coach in America would send a letter like this to collect $12.99. And you just have to love the p.s. at the bottom. If there's a better example of what he was all about I'd love to see it. He had a passion for doing things right - all the time. So we're to believe this man would cover up for a child molester....right.
and yes, I did pay it back...
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July 7, 1982

Mr. Jeff Bergstrom
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State College, PA 16801

Dear Jeff:

Unfortunately, some people on our squad, including you, have failed to turn back your books or have incurred unauthorized and improper charges on away trips and at the Fiesta Bowl. Some of you have paid absolutely no attention to letters and pleas to pay these bills. When we travel--either during the season of to a post-season bowl--we travel better than any other football team and you should appreciate this and not abuse our desire to treat you first class (in some case the dollars are small and in other cases the charges are extravagant, but in all cases the principal is the same--you have taken advantage of an honest effort to treat you well).

You owe the athletic department $12.99 for phone calls, room service, and miscellaneous charges for the Pitt and Fiesta Bowl games.

Since you have finished up your eligibility, there is very little I can do to make you pay. But you will know and I will know that you owe the money, and when it comes to job recommendations or use of our facilities, etc., I certainly feel that your cheating the University of money not due to you will have a bearing on our attitude. I have told our team many times you don't do things right sometimes; you do them right all the time. This builds character. Paying your fair bills is a good habit to get into in a hurry, and if you don't acquire thei habit, your
prospects of being a successful person later in life won't be good.

Get your bills paid.

Sincerely,


Joseph V. Paterno
Head Football Coach

P.S. A copy of this letter is going to your parents
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:49 AM   #17155
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"abuse our desire"

"principal"
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:33 PM   #17156
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Because he followed the law? He did exactly what the law specifically states was the absolute, cold-blooded minimum he was supposed to do.

Everyone agrees on this point, or at least anyone who has half a brain and has bothered to do any real research does.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:01 PM   #17157
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Oh good flacucki is back.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:07 AM   #17158
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He always did what was in the best interest of the program and university. He never took into account how that affected other people. Once he reported me for not stopping at a stop sign for 5 full seconds, because it was in the best interest of the university. He didn't care if I got into an accident on I-81 and was badly injured, only that the image of the university and football program was squeaky clean. It wasn't about positively affecting people, it was about him and the university's legacy. Guy is a stone POS.

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Old 03-18-2017, 11:28 AM   #17159
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Because he followed the law? He did exactly what the law specifically states he was supposed to do. Everyone agrees on this point, or at least anyone who has half a brain and has bothered to do any real research does.

You may not like it, but it's the law. That's why the NCAA had to back down. So if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who make the laws, not at those who followed them.

The right people are being punished here. No need to punish the ones who did the right thing, at least as far as the law is concerned.
Slappies defending JoePa after all this time. Sad.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:33 AM   #17160
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Slappies defending JoePa after all this time. Sad.
Not as sad as morons unable to identify the real problem.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:59 AM   #17161
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Not as sad as morons unable to identify the real problem.
Which is?

Sandusky raping children and joe punishing him by kicking him off the team and telling him to keep it away from the locker room is not the problem; obviously
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:06 AM   #17162
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Hey. I'm sorry I didn't tell everyone about the guy raping kids in the showers. I didn't break the law, though, so **** off.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:33 AM   #17163
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Gotta admit, I did not expect to see the "don't hate the player, hate the game" defense of JoePa's inaction, on 2p2. But here we are.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:55 PM   #17164
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Ironically, a friend received a jury summons for what is believed to be a certain criminal trial starting this week for a certain former university president. The friend was excused for scheduling related issues.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:11 PM   #17165
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If I got that summons I would go full John Cusack in that Grisham movie.
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:38 AM   #17166
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Gotta admit, I did not expect to see the "don't hate the player, hate the game" defense of JoePa's inaction, on 2p2. But here we are.
he should've used allen iverson's defense
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:08 PM   #17167
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I should have put "a friend of mine" in quotes
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:39 PM   #17168
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Because he followed the law? He did exactly what the law specifically states he was supposed to do. Everyone agrees on this point, or at least anyone who has half a brain and has bothered to do any real research does.

You may not like it, but it's the law. That's why the NCAA had to back down. So if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who make the laws, not at those who followed them.

The right people are being punished here. No need to punish the ones who did the right thing, at least as far as the law is concerned.
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§ 4304. Endangering welfare of children.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) A parent, guardian or other person supervising the welfare of a child under 18 years of age, or a person that employs or supervises such a person, commits an offense if he knowingly endangers the welfare of the child by violating a duty of care, protection or support.
(2) A person commits an offense if the person, in an official capacity, prevents or interferes with the making of a report of suspected child abuse under 23 Pa.C.S. Ch. 63 (relating to child protective services).
(3) As used in this subsection, the term "person supervising the welfare of a child" means a person other than a parent or guardian that provides care, education, training or control of a child.
IDK man did a little research and would love to hear how you think he didn't break this law!
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:45 PM   #17169
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Not as sad as morons unable to identify the real problem.
If you can't see the distinction between what is morally and legally acceptable in this situation, you're at best intellectually dishonest and at worst a sociopath.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:04 PM   #17170
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If you can't see the distinction between what is morally and legally acceptable in this situation, you're at best intellectually dishonest and at worst a sociopath.
Or I am able to read and recognize trends that point to a greater problem.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/po...th-minors.html
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Old 03-24-2017, 10:11 AM   #17171
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There can be multiple "real" problems at the same time.

(1) Joe Paterno's cowardly, if not malicious, failure to report rampant child molestation.
(2) Powerful people committing rampant child molestation.

Both are really bad and both should be discussed.
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Old 03-24-2017, 10:51 AM   #17172
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Or I am able to read and recognize trends that point to a greater problem.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/po...th-minors.html
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:19 PM   #17173
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There can be multiple "real" problems at the same time.

(1) Joe Paterno's cowardly, if not malicious, failure to report rampant child molestation.
(2) Powerful people committing rampant child molestation.

Both are really bad and both should be discussed.
That's the problem, though, isn't it?

The opportunity to have a proper discussion about a problem that borders on a national epidemic, and the utter failure of the justice system to properly handle these cases, was pretty much squandered because the media and the vast majority of people chose to focus solely on the narrative that Joe Paterno should be crucified because he didn't do enough to stop this behavior.

Meanwhile, there are dozens of other examples of people doing pretty much the same thing, and those examples are met with a collective shrug.

It is somewhat galling to me that people only seem to care about this because it involves a college football program.

Meanwhile, child sexual abuse is literally an epidemic. USA gymnastics. Youth hockey in Canada. Soccer in England. The Catholic Church. And what meaningful changes are being made to address it?

And yet in a discussion in this thread that has lasted for years, the only thing that seems to matter to most people is how this will impact their favorite college football teams. It's just sad.

I could care less about Joe Paterno. Dig him up and cut off his nuts. Take away his wins. Ban PSU football. Do all those things, and not one kid is going to be made any safer. And if kids aren't going to be made any safer, why do any of those things?
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:36 PM   #17174
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It is strange that we continue to only discuss the Penn State situation in a thread specifically about the Penn State situation in a sporting events forum.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:41 PM   #17175
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jsb makes some good points - I made similar arguments when this thread was created, under a different screen name of course.
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