Joe Paterno is also more than an employee. He had it well within his power to change the outcome of this, yet he didn't. I know you agree with this based on your statements above, so why do you continue to nit up about the most minor of points that most people agree with and fully understand.

C'mon man.

Wow.

Edit: It seems they could've gone through his work and personal email account history at a minimum. They supposedly tried hard to recover the hard drive but nothing is said about email. Maybe they did try, but that would likely have something.

I'm a little surprised there has not been more anger directed toward McQueary (the eyewitness as GA in 2002 and current receivers coach). Say what you will about paterno, he certainly should have done more, but McQueary was an EYEWITNESS OF A CHILD RAPE BY SOMEONE HE CONTINUED TO SEE AROUND THE PROGRAM FOR YEARS AND HE NEVER WENT TO THE POLICE!!!

I guess the factors working in his favor from a PR standpoint are how traumatized he was by seeing it and how low on the totem pole he was within psu, but Christ his basic moral obligations as a human being should have blown those other factors away.

The actual eyewitness must bear more responsibility than the others, in my opinion. The others would have been reporting an incredibly serious allegation secondhand, which is a horrible position to be in. The proper course of action by McQueary in my view would have been to go straight to the police, regardless of whether or not you told anyone else. by informing people up the ladder, you are directly enabling them to cover it up, even if you do go to the police, and when you tell them and DON'T go to the police, you are basically BEGGING them to cover it up.

Cliffs: McQueary has a tremendous amount of culpability here that is being ignored. He should be facing charges.

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2011/...jerry-sandusky

Paterno says he won't address questions about the scandal at today's press conference (not surprising). Still ghana be a total ****show and probably worth watching for all the avoidance JoePa is gonna practice

Stop being a moran

I know this may not be the most popular opinion, but any criminal or moral offense shouldn't tarnish the actual coaching legacy of JoePa. Sure, it could make him a bad person, but there is no reason for it to alter any opinions people hold of how good of a coach he has been for 5 decades.

I think most ITT agree with this - it was basically the entire first 600 posts of discussion. We've moved on to Paterno now because he's skating free, ESPN is trying to minimize his role, and he clearly did the minimum and was happy to protect his friend, the program and ignore the welfare of the children (past, present and future) who were victims of rape at the hands of his former employee.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

**** that guy.

Fire him before Saturday. The only problem is that it seems like anybody in a position to bring down the hammer is already out of there for being idiots in the first place.

Might be a decent way for the University President to redeem himself for that ridiculous statement he put out, but I doubt he will.

Below is a link to the Grand Jury document. Must-read for those trying to follow the story.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college...grand-jury.pdf

Below is the radio interview everyone keeps citing. Must-listen all the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqa9OvJvx2I

seems like a smart decision from both a legal perspective as well as a PR one. Its not like there is anything he can say that will help him legally and the media isn't going to let up no matter what he says.

that's ridiculous. if you heard anything, what are you supposed to do, go to the police? 'hey, i heard a rumor that...'. the same police and DA who failed to prosecute sandusky in 1998? (not that they would know about that, but still).

kim jones paints a picture of a very close knit community that mistrusts outsiders and tries to handle its business internally - on this point, it completely failed in every respect.

The school won't let him I'm sure. Could he use his clout? Probabaly, except I'm guessing that in addition to the school, his own layers have likely told him to keep quiet also.

That's the gross thing. Everyone is going to close ranks for the best interest of the school, themselves and each other. Those interests can and will supercede the interests of all the kids that were raped and their right to justice.

Yeah. I am just shocked that none of the law enforcement, media, our anyone else has made a single peep about this. But then again I guess paterno's role in this fiasco is the real hook to this story.

agree with this. You can't just report **** because of rumors. By this standard someone could start a rumor that triumph killed a man and we'd apparently all need to call our local police deptarments.

From the reporters I've heard today on the radio from PA, they say JoePa can barely hear/understand the questions asked of him, and will completely dismiss a question even under normal circumstances if he doesn't like it.

I'd say the chances of this going well is about 0%.

This situation might need Benjy Bronk of the Howard Stern show to make JoePa look like the ass he is:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/gloria...updatedstories

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_879002.html

Interviews with mothers of two victims: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ry_sandus.html

It's going to be a total **** show, nothing like trying to nail a senile old man to the wall

right. it was an institutional failure created and perpetuated ultimately by paterno and the university president. both need to go. immediately. if paterno has any dignity left, he'll take the ultimate fall for this (outside of those criminally liable) and resign.

i have to assume the NCAA likely has the authority under some clause of their charter to drop the hammer on PSU and will likely discipline them more heavily than any school in some time? death penalty?

Ugh. So awful.

ESPN certainly should report on the interview with the victims mothers.

I think you are confusing me with another poster, first of all.

You asked to point out any ridiculous argument you had made.

I pointed out that you argued "procedures had to be followed" to deal with this guy because he had emeritus status, when after the story broke he instantly had his emeritus status revoked and was barred from the campus obviously not following any "by the book" procedure.

It's even more ridiculous because you are making this argument after it has already played out as not the case.

Deal with it.

Interesting. The mother of Victim One seems to be saying that the high school wasn't going to report the abuse:

ETA: To clarify, "Victim One" was not the first victim chronologically; he was the high school student who came forward a couple of years ago and began the investigation that resulted in the indictments against Sandusky. The facts surrounding his abuse are listed in the first count of the presentment and he is referred to as "Victim One" there.

I've started updating the OP of this thread with relevant links as this continues to evolve.

PA football. More important than child rape.