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I've been listening to D.C., Boston, and NYC radio stations, and there are callers who are angry at the people who are "tainting" Paterno's name.

One guy (this may sound familiar) said that Paterno was old, and his generation doesn't understand gay sex. Men of his age would just deny that gay sex exsits.

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Another caller said that Paterno was basically a good guy that made a mistake. One who does so much shouldn't be remembered for that one mistake over the decades of good.

A guy just said that Paterno didn't know, and when he did, he told his superiors. He made an analogy to a manager in an office who tells his boss about what happened (obv referring to the McQueary incident). He told his boss. He's done his duty.

These people are not from PA or Penn State alums afaik.

That is probably the first time ever someone has discussed the history of USF basketball without referencing:

There are def some "cultists" who are incapable of wrapping their minds around the truth. There are also plenty who have come to the realization that their hero is no hero and made a grave, terrible mistake that will ruin his legacy forever.

What does Jimmy "JJ" Walker have to do with anything? Dy-no-mite!!

just in case he skips ahead in the thread....THIS.

i'm gonna just file this away.

Let's get something straight here. I don't give a damn what gay men do with each other, how they practice their sexuality, or much of anything else - as long as they keep it private and to themselves.

Once it begins spilling over into the workplace, that's taking it too far. Work should be about one thing and one thing only: getting the job done and making sure your company is profitable. The work place is not (or should not) be a place where issues of sex or sexual politics are discussed or debated. The workplace is not (or should not) be a place where a "pro gay" or "anti gay" agenda is either promoted or advocated. (It should also not be a place where strident anti-gay campaigns are conducted or encouraged.) If you feel compelled to discuss or "debate" that kind of highly personal and extremely sensitive behavior, don't do it on the job. Join a political party and crusade for gay rights, animal rights, abortion rights, equal pay for equal work - or whatever turns your motor. Politics is the place to discuss and debate these kind of issues.

On the job, if you are an employee, you are not being paid - at most companies - to promote a gay lifestyle or encourage a "gay friendly" workplace. You're being paid to help the company earn a profit and ensure the security of your (and all your coworker's) jobs. If you're the boss, your job is not to conduct a social engineering campaign - your job is to make sure your customers stay happy and your company stays profitable. That's it. If you fail at that job, nothing else really matters. If you waste a bunch of time and effort getting sidetracked in social and political issues, you will (eventually) go bankrupt - your competition will eat you alive. All of your employees will suddenly be ex-employees joining the ranks of the unemployed. Work (and the wokplace) is about making money - it's not about sex or social issues.

That was my whole point about Graham Spanier. I very much doubt if there was a clause in his contract which stated that one of his duties as PSU's President was to promote a "gay friendly" workplace. He appears to have decided to take on that job on his own volition.

Anybody who thinks I'm a "bigot" for espousing this view is entitled to their opinion - we live in a free country where people can think whatever they wish. One of the nice things about being old is that I no longer have to worry about being politically correct. I'm entitled not to give a damn if somebody thinks I'm a bigot. The workplace is not the place to hash out sexual politics. Those kind of issues belong in the political arena. If my having that attitude makes me a "bigot," then I plead guilty.

college not traditional profit motivated workplace

being gay friendly can increase business

penn state as a representative of the state of pennsylvania regardless of what you might think does have a duty to make gay students feel welcome on campus

yadda yadda yadda

I am a PSU alum and am not like that and neither are my friends who are also PSU alums. I did fundraising for the university when I was an undergrad and spent time talking to many of the alums trying to get them to donate to the uni. Yeah, there are a lot of people with a holier-than-thou view of themselves based on their alma mater. However, PSU has the largest alumni association in America. To say that an entire student body and all alums are holier than thou is nonsense.

There will be excessive pride from any student body from a major university. To single out one university among the hundreds who show the same hubris is unfair. Yes, PSU lacks common sense and transparency. Tons of other places do as well. That doesn't make PSU's philosophy acceptable. Just means that the problem is more widespread

Dance Marathon people are the nut low

As for how Michigan (or other schools) would handle this... I am very confident that Michigan would not cover it all up. And there's a big reason for that... at Michigan, there's a strong divide between the academic and athletic communities. A good portion of the academic community loathes the athletic program because of the attention it receives. The problem at Penn State was that the head football coach had the influence to sway even the university President. That's not going to happen at many other places.

Not disagreeing with your post, but growing up in Texas I had always heard the same thing about A&M so did some quick googling and my fyp seems to mirror the way PSU itself represents this fact.

The PSU students and alums take pride in a lot of stupid things, but THON is a pretty big deal. A lot of work goes into it and a lot of money is raised for the Four Diamonds Fund. I never got involved or participated in it, but I can understand why people would take pride in it.

Holding it over somebody's head and bashing them for not doing something similar is an entirely different thing.

yep.

there's a bigot itt.

please stfu now.

Penn State probably reacted much worse than other schools because it was trying to keep up its "squeaky clean" image and had more on the line. USC, Michigan, LSU, Ohio State never let it get that far since they can take care of business right away, go after the guy, and be done with it. There is no culture of being above the law by the coaches at these places. They are much bigger institutions than one man. Penn State was really Joe Pa University, and he obviously controlled everything, and you don't dare cross him or make him look bad.

Yeah, millions are raised to fight cancer and best Karak can do is lol. He has completely gone off the deep end.

JT though? i mean, it's obviously not at the lolpaterno level, but the Senator sure thought he could get away with things.

not covering up multiple rapes (lolpsu), but there certainly was a culture of Hail Senator Tressel going on.

feel free to ignore this if it's gonna turn into an ohio/UM debate, i'm just sayin'. you know there was.

You never know how someone or even a group of people will react when the GDP of a medium sized nation is on the line.

i know how joe paterno would react.

Possibly. PSU is one of (I think) two unis without any NCAA violations on record. Sad part is that it will still be clean in that respect after this passes over.

However, it seemed that Paterno really lost control of the team at the end. I have to wonder if he was even doing anything towards the end of his career because as he was fading, discipline issues among the players really started to rise.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG that is too funny.

THEY COVERED UP MULTIPLE RAPINGS OF YOUNG BOYS, NO ****ING WAAAAAAY THEY'D COVER UP ANY OTHER MAJOR VIOLATIONS!!!!

no, not joe.

bwaaaahahahaaaa, thanks for that. for real.

I'm beginning to believe as I think about this more that Paterno may have stuck around so long for the express reason that he knew this Sandusky situation was still hanging out there. He probably thought he had a much better chance of keeping the lid on this thing if he was still at the controls.

(after this passes over)

god. i take the laughing back. that's a really sick way to look at all this. yuck at you.

You totally missed the dude's point although I'm not surprised.

Yes. Penn State and Stanford.