wow that's ****ed up and super sad

I doubt this case ever sees a trial but there are some interesting problems with sovereign immunity here. Aside from JoePa himself, the million dollar damage claims will have to come from PSU the institution, which means the PA taxpayer and PSU students are the ultimate sources of the money.

Valid point? (full column here)

Meh if they were really helping Paterno out they could easily have waited another 2 months til football season was over.

Amen.

*but it is harder than you think to call the cops on a pedo!

Please let me know when I should stop puking.

Which case? The perjury, the failure to report, the child abuse, etc.? All of the above?

eta: I think the administrators will see a trial. I might be wrong about that.

What rules do they have in place for reporting the rape of a young boy by a man who isn't an employee of the university?

You've made several posts in this thread, and none of them defend a reasonable position.

I skipped to the end when I started posting, is the first 1,000 posts full of stuff like this

Whether you agree or disagree with my post the answer is yes.

Go back a few pages to read about people defending the idea of not reporting a pedo like Sandusky to the authorities for numerous inane reasons.

ITT I learned that reporting a child rapist to the police could destroy my career. If you report a child rapist to the authorities, prepare to be blackballed. If there is one thing people can't stand, it is a "whistle-blower" that reports a child rapist to the police.

I'm surprised you can still type with all that puke on your keyboard.

Not to be flip, I just don't think posts like that further the discussion in any meaningful way. Of course you're outraged.

1. Are you kidding? I haven't read the Penn State employee handbook but every institution will have specific procedures in place for stuff like this. The "non-employee" is an "Emeritus." Do you know what that is? He is an employee - he is basically a life time employee.

2. I have made it quite clear there is a difference between legally required action and other action. The Grand Jury agrees as JoPa was not indicted. As for as morally correct action, I have made it clear that if I were JoPa, I would have brought this whole issue to light and then resigned if the University did not take appropriate action. I reposted those posts a few pages back.

I have also pointed out that there are a number of factors in play which may have limited JoPa's ability to act - I made it clear that such is not an excuse, but a possible explanation.

3. Please show one post where I take an unreasonable position.

snitches get stitches amirite

I don't think you read very well.

I can appreciate it if you don't want to read Joe-Pa's mind, but I'll ask anyway. What do you think he knew in 2002 after speaking to the GA? Do you think he knew that there was an incident in 1998 involving the same person? Rather than demonstrate your ability to empathize with someone in the midst of a horrific situation, can you tell me what you think Joe Paterno knew about Jerry Sandusky?

dont argue with dids hes omnicient

ya, glad I put the fan on for the drive home and watched the show on tv after that. Really excellent job there getting so much information out. Kim Jones was great.

Found the bit about sandusky's golf tourney or whatever slowly going from a huge deal to nothing to be telling, as was the "whispers" by many around the program/school for years. People even knew ginger "saw something."

What about the University of Alabama at Birmingham scandal around 2000 / 2001?

http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

Dids:

You had talked about systemic guards to keeping children safe. I've been coaching my 6 yr old in youth soccer/basketball for a couple years now. Besides submitting to a criminal background check, the YMCA bball requirements clearly state I am to never be alone with a single child. I'm fortunate to live in a nice suburb that the parents don't just drop the kids and leave but there is always a large parent audience at all events. I am not sure when this requirement goes away, but from 6 to 10 doesn't seem like that large a gap to allow 1:1 unsupervised activity. I'm convinced this guy seeked potential targets and it's so mind boggling that I just shutter to think of letting my children spend unsupervised alone time (sleep overs?!?) with adult males.

Victor:

You mentioned the manditory shower as questionable. I agree it is a *huge* red flag and WFT is a coach doing showering with youths? The first known incident of this should have been the last.

All:

I sense the worm is turning here in terms of dedicated sports fan awareness to casual sports fan awareness to general social awareness of this situation and that no one involved, including JoePa, will excape now. While JoePa may simply lose his job, the stooges at PSU are almost certainly exposed to legal/civil liabilty here.

I think JoPa knew or should have known enough in 1998 AND 2002 to take a stand, damn the consequences.

I have posted that many times before.

Legally, he's in the clear. With the University, he followed the rules. As a football coach, he acted like a football coach. As a man, he failed.

However, that last failure is not as simple to analyze as one would think. I have stated that he should have done something to force the University's hand. Yet, I concede (or argue as the case may be) that a lot of factors affected what he could, or could not do which could have opened him up to some civil liability.

If nothing else, focus on the bolded, so I don't have to go over that AGAIN for the next gruncher.

Yeah, I heard that too, but I don't have "the fan" (WFAN?) Was the report syndicated or what? I heard the exact thing about the golf tourney and about how it dwindled away to nothing.

I wonder if guys like Sandusky tend to "feel out" others by dropping hints about what he does to gauge their interest. I'll guess that after getting away with it so long, that he overestimated how many others would find his activities acceptable and be receptive to participating (or whatever). He probably dropped a few too many hints and people started steering clear.

When I was a bartender in college some guy who owned a computer store wanted to hire me and another bartender as security for his building (New Years' Street party). Well, he started talking about the party, etc. over time (I was bartending so I had to listen) and then he mentioned something about putting pornos on. Well, the last thing I'm going to be doing is sitting around on New Years' watching pron with another dude and a 60 year old man. I tactfully declined the "job."

I told the other bartender about this and he declined as well.

Over the next few months, this guy would drop comments here and there to random bar folk, and I determined he as just trolling to see if anyone else was into it.

I'm not grunching and I think you misunderstand my purpose. My purpose is that Joe-Pa's most recent press release is not credible-- and I don't know how you can believe the things above and accept that it is.

eta: I think joe-pa is reviewing things in his mind and trimming and tacking based on what he anticipates as the obvious problems with how he acted.

I haven't said a goddamn thing about JoPa's press release. I haven't even read it.

Personally, I don't care what the guy has to say. Unless he is proven to be a participant in the activities, my analysis is the same.

- Failure as a man.

The other standards are just technical and he did not violate any rules from what I can tell.

If your entire purpose is to establish your belief that Joe-Pa fulfilled his legal obligations, then I agree with you.

I've read your postings as a bit more nuanced than that.

"joe pa" doesn't deserve a cute nickname anymore. he only deserves to be referred to as paterno as in mr. paterno are you aware of the charges facing you today?

how did Dids ever become a mod? he's the only poster on this forum more insecure than i.


but seriously Dids, this is a level right? what you're saying is akin to saying some man who was married to a transvestite for 20 years and upon finding out his "wife" is really a dude claims that "she" looked and acted like woman, i mean, how was i suppose to know? jfc, there are just some things that if they are right under your nose you NEED to be aware of, regardless.