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Old 11-05-2011, 08:14 PM   #76
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ugh, reading more of this and had to stop. they should just hang this guy in public
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:17 PM   #77
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they should just hang this guy in public
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:18 PM   #78
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Now that Penn State is a Catholic school will they get their own deal with NBC?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:21 PM   #79
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ugh, reading more of this and had to stop. they should just hang this guy in public
this man deserves to die in a more drawn out and painful manner. i'm thinking drawn and quartered

this is the kinda thing where public stonings seem like a good idea
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:23 PM   #80
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Excerpt from http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college...grand-jury.pdf

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On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant ("graduate assistant") who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purcahsed sneakers in his locker and ger some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.

The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to promptly report what he had seen to coach Joe Paterno ("Paterno"), head football coach of Penn State. The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen.

Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to the young boy.

Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz ("Schultz"). The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Schultz that he had witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building showers. Curley and Schultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting.

The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in Grand Jury in December, 2010. The Grand Jury finds the graduate assistant's testimony to be extremely credible.

Curley testified that the graduate assistant reported to them that "inappropriate conduct" or activity that made him "uncomfortable" occured in the Lasch Building shower in March 2002. Curley specifically denied that the graduate assistant reported anal sex or anything of a sexual nature whatsoever and termed the conduct as merely "horsing around". When asked whether the graduate assistant had reported "sexual conduct" "of any kind" by Sandusky, Curley answered, "No" twice. When asked if the graduate assistant had reported "anal sex between Sandusky and this child", Curley testified, "Absolutely not."

Curley testified that he informed Dr. Jack Raykovitz, Executive Director of the Second Mile of the conduct reported to him and met with Sandusky to advise Sandusky that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn State campus from that point forward. Curley testified that he met again with the graduate assistant and advised him that Sandusky had been directed not to use Penn State's athletic facilities with young people and "the information" had been given to director of The Second Mile. Curley testified that he also advised Penn State University President Graham Spanier of the information he had received from the graduate assistant and the steps he had taken as a result. Curley was not specific about the langauge he used in reporting the 2002 incident to Spanier. Spanier testified to his approval of the approach taken by Curley. Curley did not report the incident to the University Police, the police agency for the University Park campus or any other police agency.

Schultz testified that he was called to a meeting with Joe Paterno and Tim Curley, in which Paterno reported "disturbing" and "inappropriate" conduct in the shower by Sandusky upon a young boy, as reported to him by a student or graduate student. Schultz was present in a subsequent meeting with Curley when the graduate assistant reported the incident in the shower involving Sandusky and a boy. Schultz was very unsure about what he remembered the graduate assistant telling him and Curley about the shower incident. He testified that he had the impression that Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy's genitals while wrestling and agreed that such was inappropriate sexual conduct between a man and a boy. While equivocating on the definition of "sexual" in the context of Sandusky wrestling with and grabbing the genitals of the boy, Schultz conceded that the report the graduate assistant made was of inappropriate sexual conduct by Sandusky. However, Schultz testified that the allegations were "not that serious" and that he and Curley "had no indication that a crime had occured." Schultz agreed that sodomy between Sandusky and a child would clearly be inappropriate sexual conduct. He denied having such conduct reported to him either by Paterno or the graduate assistant.
Lots of people not reporting this to the police.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:25 PM   #81
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jfc, i looked up former and latter just to make sure, and now im just thinking you mixed up the two. wtf, you call hte police this is just i dunno im legit mad just wow
I've already said above that I'm wrong, what more do you want?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:29 PM   #82
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That graduates assistant should be in some type of trouble, right?

Everyone that failed to report this should.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:30 PM   #83
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Paterno tells the AD when he finds out what what on. Ok fair enough, good for him for reporting it. However when nothing comes of it, and police are not involved asap, wtf?!?! You call the cops obv.
Not that I'm thrilled about the concept, but unfortunately JoePa can claim alzheimer's.

Been suspicious of Penn State since I came out here from Cali:

[x] they chg. JoePa's eyeglass prescription annually [u can actually see it LOL]; I think the challenge flags have been "delegated" to the offensive and defensive co-ordinators 4 good reason

[x] I don't know [w/ certainty, anyway] any other big12 or other major university that actually awards A. A. degrees.

Then again, Cali has way more junior colleges and "high schools w/ ashtrays" than Div. II or III schools, more common here in the east.

[x]I'm a much bigger fan of the Stanford Tree, fk all this.
Even harder 2 explain is the vast # of Notre Dame fans in Scranton.

On a more serious note, Pennsylvania is late coming to grips regarding molestation of young boys by the catholic church here, whereas back in Cali in the 90's, we had priests dying of full-blown HIV.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:32 PM   #84
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That graduates assistant should be in some type of trouble, right?
Not really imo, especially if he's taking down the people on top. There's a huge difference between trying to do the right thing and getting it wrong and actively covering something like this up.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:33 PM   #85
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What, if any, precedent is there for the NCAA punishing a program over something like this: criminal conduct that isn't directly related to the athletics department.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:37 PM   #86
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Not really imo, especially if he's taking down the people on top. There's a huge difference between trying to do the right thing and getting it wrong and actively covering something like this up.
If it's not illegal to not report something like this it ought to be.

That being said.. I do understand him getting a deal for taking down the real douchebags if that's what is happening.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:41 PM   #87
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If it's not illegal to not report something like this it ought to be.

That being said.. I do understand him getting a deal for taking down the real douchebags if that's what is happening.
People ITT have said it's illegal (and I believe them), but I don't think this guy really fits any definition of mens rea. He walked into a situation he was completely unprepared for, and went to the people he trusted most. It's really hard for me to hate him, with the information I have.

I see a ton of child abuse cases (probably about 1 a week) and my wife works with kids with the saddest stories ever. This GA is far from the worst you could do in this situation as far as witnesses go.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:42 PM   #88
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River man should probably not be allowed to post. He's not good at it.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:44 PM   #89
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People ITT have said it's illegal (and I believe them), but I don't think this guy really fits any definition of mens rea. He walked into a situation he was completely unprepared for, and went to the people he trusted most. It's really hard for me to hate him, with the information I have.

I see a ton of child abuse cases (probably about 1 a week) and my wife works with kids with the saddest stories ever. This GA is far from the worst you could do in this situation as far as witnesses go.
Very good point in this post. I read it at first and found myself hating that GA. And there was no defending it in my head.

There still isn't much defending it and I still think he is wrong, but I don't think he is some scumbag that should be put down as a sex offender because at the very least he did do something.

With that said....I hope that if(hopefully I am never in anything remotely close to this) I found myself in a situation like his, I woulda done something to that dude(likely beating him within an inch of his life).
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Also, I could really get behind a death penalty for the PSU football program if this goes really deep. Not sure at what point do I go all out.
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8 known victims in a 15 year period. Wait. Know people high up at PSU lied to the grand jury but what?
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Also, I could really get behind a death penalty for the PSU football program if this goes really deep. Not sure at what point do I go all out.
This is a tough one. I'm against death penalties for the most part as they don't usually effect those that did the damage. Whoever comes next had nothing to do with this situation and the kids, who will be punished the most out of this(wrt death penalty) have absolutely nothing to do with this.
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This is a tough one. I'm against death penalties for the most part as they don't usually effect those that did the damage. Whoever comes next had nothing to do with this situation and the kids, who will be punished the most out of this(wrt death penalty) have absolutely nothing to do with this.
i wonder if the NCAA could or would do something where they explicitly say "every member associated must be fired or else x"
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:54 PM   #94
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i wonder if the NCAA could or would do something where they explicitly say "every member associated must be fired or else x"
NCAA's got no authority here
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i wonder if the NCAA could or would do something where they explicitly say "every member associated must be fired or else x"
Heh...I have no idea about the legal stuff. But I wouldn't hate if the NCAA said something like, "fire everyone...and we mean every mother****er there and we won't investigate. Leave one person...full investigation and death penalty possible, if not likely."

Edit: Loretta > me. Had no idea. This situation is ****ing irking me.
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NCAA's got no authority here
i dunno, this seems like a pretty solid case for lack of institutional control
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If he'd bought the kid dinner after ****ing him then the NCAA would be all over this
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:58 PM   #98
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Well, Sandusky wasn't even coaching there anymore when that happened. What should JoePa have done? Despite his stature, there are still internal rules he has to follow.
Call the police and have them to talk to the witness?
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If the NCAA ends up doing nothing, whether they are allowed to or not, I'm going to be an even more bitter mother****er. I know thats not fair...but I really ****ing hate that organization with everything I am.
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i dunno, this seems like a pretty solid case for lack of institutional control
thats only for stuff like improper benefits

theres nothing in the NCAA rule book about criminals afaik, I don't think they have any authority here.
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