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11-10-2011 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by toddw8
Can anybody explain what the university is doing? It makes absolutely no sense to me that he hasn't at least been placed on administrative leave.
some have theorized that he has whistleblower protection [that enabled him to insist on keeping his position], or was even a victim.
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11-10-2011 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
so Penn St. is putting Nebraska in a pretty horrible position Saturday. Can Nebraska as a whole guarantee the safety of it's citizens/ players/ spectators in traveling to Penn St.? What kind of statement is Nebraska making by playing a football program that supported pedophilia for 15+ years?

Penn State SUCKS for not cancelling this game, and every other game this season. How dare they consider themselves in the same genre as every other Big Ten team at this point.
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Originally Posted by bills217
OK, let's set aside for a moment the fact that I'm not necessarily endorsing them playing with no coaching staff at all, just not *this* coaching staff.

Are you ****ing kidding me? If they have 12 men on the field or have more blown routes or coverages, it is going to be DANGEROUS?!?! In THIS thread you're saying that?!?! I mean, are you for real?

It's not 'Nam. Or even the shower in the Lasch building.
These are not inflammatory?
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11-10-2011 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by five4suited
some have theorized that he has whistleblower protection [that enabled him to insist on keeping his position], or was even a victim.
Yeah, I'm sure whistleblower protection would prohibit them from firing him, but I don't think it would preclude them from putting him on paid leave, right?
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11-10-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
...cynicism aside, none of the current coaches besides mcqueary and none of the players have anything to do with this...
and we know this for sure, how?

and if more details, like the ones alleged earlier today, come out and prove to be true, and this thing gets a whole lot worse, then what? they maybe they cancel the remaining road games and/or refuse any bowl game offers. and everyone feels great about the whole "show must go on" game vs Nebraska?

as others have pointed out, this whole football trumps everything attitude is exactly what has allowed this to happen in the first place. so let's just reinforce that point, right?

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if penn state can guarantee safety - they may not be able to
good point.
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11-10-2011 , 11:03 PM
Yes, there will be a game Saturday and nothing terrible will happen. Unless Nebraska stomps them, which is highly likely.
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11-10-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
there's no "unfair punishment" to anyone at Penn St. in terms of monetary damages at this time imo. The whole atmosphere was apparently pervasive in deifying the football team/ athletic department. Think of it in analgous terms with the Catholic church. Every person who contributed to the church/ Penn St. contributed to an institution that sanctioned and protected monsters. They should both be burnt to the ground. ?
Are you serious?

Anyone who donated to the catholic church sanctioned child molesters?
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11-10-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
so Penn St. is putting Nebraska in a pretty horrible position Saturday. Can Nebraska as a whole guarantee the safety of it's citizens/ players/ spectators in traveling to Penn St.? What kind of statement is Nebraska making by playing a football program that supported pedophilia for 15+ years?

Penn State SUCKS for not cancelling this game, and every other game this season. How dare they consider themselves in the same genre as every other Big Ten team at this point.
lol at nebraskas safety, ofc they will be fine. try to be more needlessly inflammatory.
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11-10-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
These are not inflammatory?
Umm, no? The entire argument about whether to play the game or not has been fairly respectful and both sides have made good points. No one has suggested that a war will break out if the game is played and no one has called anyone with an opposing viewpoint a pedofile. You are seeing things that aren't there.
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11-10-2011 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
excellent job, sir.
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11-10-2011 , 11:10 PM
Seeing reports on twitter that McQueary won't be at the game at all Saturday due to death threats. While I'm one who thinks he needs to be relieved of his duties with the university, this is just sad if true.

It's probably even money that the threats are Paterno/football related rather than him doing nothing for the kid he witnessed being raped at the time of its occurrence, other than calling daddy. Not that either reason is any excuse for a death threat.
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11-10-2011 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
I apologize. I was not attempting to be inflammatory, and I did not succeed at using words. I should not type when frustrated.

I just simply don't understand the mentality of "Shut it all down. A lesson must be taught to everyone." I also don't understand the "life's not fair" business. I'm fully aware of that, but why does it have to be unfair to those kids who were not involved? Why can't good come of this? Why do we have to drop to the most cynical level? They plan to donate money for sexually abused children from tshirt proceeds on Saturday. Some ITT, auto-assume it's a PR stunt. I just don't understand a great many things.

I'm rambling now. I apologize.
I think the argument is-- and I haven't made up my mind at all yet-- but a major factor in what happened here is that the Penn State football program had grown so large and out of control that it was perceived as bigger than the university or the law. And so shutting it down functions not only as a reminder that the football is not life, but also as a matter of actually practicing that belief and re-prioritizing football's place in Happy Valley.

The idealist in me thinks the game should be shut down for those reasons. The fan of college football (and grim spectacle) in me wants the game to go on. And the realist in me knows that neither option is going to really make a difference in how things turn out in the end.
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11-10-2011 , 11:13 PM
'messier': whether the remaining coaching staff knew or didn't know seems immaterial to me - none of them came forward, none of them are considered witnesses, and it seems unlikely that they would've executed a coverup or been seriously involved in one.
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11-10-2011 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I think the argument is-- and I haven't made up my mind at all yet-- but a major factor in what happened here is that the Penn State football program had grown so large and out of control that it was perceived as bigger than the university or the law. And so shutting it down functions not only as a reminder that the football is not life, but also as a matter of actually practicing that belief and re-prioritizing football's place in Happy Valley.

The idealist in me thinks the game should be shut down for those reasons. The fan of college football (and grim spectacle) in me wants the game to go on. And the realist in me knows that neither option is going to really make a difference in how things turn out in the end.
This I understand. But this could also be said for many CFB programs.

And no, I'm not really sure what my point is. That's the frustrating part.

Last edited by bowens; 11-10-2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason: And yes, I know those programs haven't harbored a child molester.
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11-10-2011 , 11:16 PM
SportsbyBrooks now reporting that Sandusky was released from jail after putting up a total of $0 for bail.
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11-10-2011 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
The game isn't in columbus, let's not get carried away. Nebraska fans will be treated fine.
But next week's PSU game IS in Columbus.
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11-10-2011 , 11:19 PM
Dear colleges, you cannot, ever, play the 'it's not fair to the seniors' card. There are seniors every ****ing year and it is rediculous to think that any scandal should be put aside 'just for a week...think of the seniors!'.

Get over it
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11-10-2011 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
This, seriously. Are people really concerned about Nebraska people's safety? That seems hilariously unfounded.
Tom Osborne apparently is.
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11-10-2011 , 11:22 PM
How about they cancel the game and have a Tom Osborne v. JoPa boxing match to determine who gets the win.
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11-10-2011 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
If this were a non-revenue sport, the rest of the season is SNAP-cancelled by the university (if other teams will even agree to play them), and no one is batting an eye about it. No one would be posting about it being unfair to the softball players.
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Originally Posted by bugstud
see also: Duke lacrosse
not true at all. A lot of people were very very upset that the lacrosse season was canceled.

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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe
Completely different situation given the players were the ones who caused the scandal, and all of those players were given an extra year of eligibility for wrongfully cancelling their season.
The media caused the scandal, not the players. The players did nothing illegal or even violated school rules. An extra year of eligibility to a broken program (a top tier coach fired, several transfers, contributors suspended, national player of the year transferred, etc.) is not fair compensation for a good shot at a national title (Duke was ranked #1 and undefeated when the season was cancelled).

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The Duke fan wanting a season railroaded now makes sense.
what does this even mean?
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11-10-2011 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by toddw8
SportsbyBrooks now reporting that Sandusky was released from jail after putting up a total of $0 for bail.
Welcome to small town politics.
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11-10-2011 , 11:25 PM
given the way the Penn State crowd pelted the Illini with snowballs during the last game, I can only imagine how bad it could get this weekend.
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11-10-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
The media caused the scandal
You can't be serious
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11-10-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Welcome to small town politics.
Before this scandal, I had no idea State College was such an isolated ****hole.
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11-10-2011 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
The media caused the scandal
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11-10-2011 , 11:28 PM
Don't quote entire blogs please, just edit it down and post the link.

I kind of agree with Pos in a lot of ways ^^. My main issue with his article is that we do know SOMETHING. Paterno himself has said that he was told of "fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around". That's plenty. Even if McQueary and him had some massive miscommunication and the message of the anal pounding didn't get across, those other things are plenty.
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