After watching that Emmert video, if they don't give the death penalty I'm gonna hate the NCAA even more than I do now. I'm not sure how he can use the language "we cant just simply walk away from this one" and then not give them punishments. If you still don't think they'll get the DP, go watch that PBS video. Its gonna be so sick when they get less sanctions that USC did for an agent paying a player's family. It's either DP or nothing here, folks.

That's interesting. My reflex is to call bull****. Oddly enough, this has a lot to do with precedent; NCAA often talks big and then wets the bed. So probably not the same meaning of "precedent" this dude is using.

I'm still a bit off my game--could someone else please think up a pop culture reference that mimicks SMU's angst at watching PSU get a lighter punishment than them here? You know, something incredulous.

Thanks.

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This is the part that still makes no sense - they really don't look bad at all - there is a tangible investigative report showing the conclusions - probably has a life span on the news of 48 hours. So option A is say "now we have more evidence we didn't have in 1998", and option B is "let's begin a massive institution-wide cover-up" - and they choose B??

keeping up with the kardashians, s1

Thing is there was a push to force Paterno out around that time, but he was able to get his way with the "I'm a living, walking saint" angle. May have thought anything that put him in a negative light, even if he wasn't really at fault, would jeopardize his ability to stall off retirement.

Jerry Sandusky basically was the Second Mile. Who is going to keep an eye on him?

Even more reason to see why they would cover this up. It's hard to tell exactly what they knew, other than there were allegations and he was a free man. False accusations happen, and people are inclined to believe life-long friends before throwing them under the bus due to a few accusations. It's understandable behavior when they don't have anything solid on the guy. It's not even that odd for his wife to *still* think he cannot possibly have done it. People will be in denial about this kind of stuff and need hard proof to change their minds.

PSU looks bad in two ways - 1) One of their famous coaches is a pedo. 2) They somewhat knew about it before, and nothing really happened for it.

It's not quite so massive for option B, as there are a few people who have the power and control everything, so there's not much that needs to be done to cover it up, other than getting everyone to agree to shut up about it. They had absolute power and know they can pretty much get everyone to be quiet that they knew. They were above the law and knew it.

More like Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal getting lectured by OJ Simpson on needing to behave properly or something.

It might not be the PSU 4 that looks bad but rather the police and the investigators, but a reading of the Freeh report seems to show that there was one guy, Seasock, who after interviewing Sandusky concluded that he could not be a pedophile because people just don't become pedophiles at the age of 50. There were conflicting reports, conflicting psychiatric evaluations, but somehow this story won the day. It just irritates me that people think that because the '98 incident was investigated, that it was a) investigated well and b) the conclusion reached was logical in nature. Now we are working with the benefit of hindsight, so it is easy to make that claim, but at least as reported I don't see how you can't consider the alternative (Jerry was raping boys for decades) while deciding the alternative (People don't become pedos at 50, hence he's not a pedo). As I said, this whole failure really doesn't (and can't) come down on Paterno and the other's heads because they aren't certified psychiatrists and weren't the ones that came to the conclusion that was reached.

Regardless, none of this explains why when the same **** came up just three years later it was treated as if it was in a vacuum rather than as another questionable incident and viewed (and treated) in light of the situation just three years earlier when very similar accusations were made. It seems at the very least, the administrators should be pissed that Sandusky defied them simply by continuing to bring boys on campus much less showering with them after being told to knock it off regardless of any sexual improprieties taking place.

i think i know who the joepa statue banner pilot is

I understand this, it just angers me because it's a very clear cut example of them placing the football team above all other considerations.

Yes, people thought he was washed up around 2003/2004 when we went something like 4-8 and 3-9 in each of those years (my first two years at PSU). I know I wanted him gone. But he stayed and then upset Ohio State for the Big Ten championship in 2005 and won the Rose Bowl, thus cementing his position until death.

I can't see any way on the world that the statue is still standing for the opener against Ohio, if the season does go off as scheduled. Seems like pretty much a 100 percent chance that there will be violence over the statue if it is still standing on the next gameday in State College, Pa.

Got into a minor tiff with the campus preacher over him deluding himself into thinking that the Freeh report is wrong and that the administration can explain this in a way that somehow makes what happened to those children more understandable. I had to pull myself away from it before I got pissed.

****ing weirdo.

I was thinking about this exact issue yesterday. Even if the statue is gone, there is going to be alot of trouble up there this year between the level headed fans and the blindly loyal Paternites.

In person? Online?

congrats on getting your acct. back.

To say nothing of fans from other schools with both those groups.

Penn State fans are always well behaved, I don't foresee any problems.

Holy ****, the New York Daily News ran an article today talking about a link between the Second Mile and notorious Philadelphia pedophile Ed Savitz. Apparently, Savitz helped fundraise for the Second Mile in the early days of the organization. It seems like just too huge a coincidence that a notorious pedophile helped raise money for an organization founded by a guy that also turned out to be a serial pedophile.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...icle-1.1115909

Before today, I had not heard Ed Savitz's name in years, perhaps decades. I can remember him being a huge story on the Philadelphia news when I was a kid in the early 1980s because of how bizarre and shocking his story was. As part of his pedophilia, he would frequently offer Philadelphia children and teens cash for their soiled underwear and feces. Savitiz then kept the underwear and feces in pizza boxes in his apartment.

Geez, Savitz's Wiki profile is even more depraved than I remembered. I either forgot or never heard about him paying kids to deficate in his mouth through a potty chair, engage in penis sword fights and slam his penis in a door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Savitz

Jesus, he was HIV-positive and continued to **** boys for money. He asked them to eat cheese so their feces tasted better. He died of AIDS in prison a week before his 1993 trial.

Pretty much guaranteed him and Sandusky were chums.

Yup, plenty of these go down with rivals such as OSU, Michigan, and Pitt. Their behavior is pretty shameful. I would imagine this happens at other universities, but I wonder if it is at the magnitude that PSU fans show.

I only went to a few games when I was there. The experience was worthwhile, but I'd rather watch the game on a big-screen TV in a cozy, well-heated room drinking beer with friends than freezing my ass off watching PSU either beat the **** out of a horrible team, or lose to a clearly superior team.

"this dude is from pittsburgh, he doesn't even need to do it"

Jesus. Sports fandom can be pretty damn ugly sometimes.

yeah, this doesn't happen in Madison....

its not an apples to apples comp. none of these schools, nor any respected or massive organization or entity would compromise their livelihood by admitting such a thing was going on. well, some might, but proly not.