I agree. Everyone was looking out for the program, to hell with anything else. With all of them being lifers unfortunately any other outcome was not happening. Anyone who is anyone knew the guy was a serial offender and also continued to bring kids around. It's fascinating in many ways. There needs to be some kind of institutional check here. I'm not sure how or what.

yeah wfan. It was from kim jones who is a reporter who went to psu for undergrad and graduate school and then worked there, it was the first I heard of the golf tourney but it could have been discussed by others before her.

She made it seem like a common psu knowledge thing (the golf tourney being avoided, not the rape), like all these famous psu players have distanced themselves from sandusky over recent years.

Why did the initial investigation take 11 years? That's one thing I'm confused about. Er, was it all that DA who went missing 9 years after 1998 and the case moved to someone else? Not clear how this unfolded. How did they know about the 2002 incident?

If that's the case, then what was she, an investigative reporter, doing all these years?

she liked happy valley not sad valley prolly

yeah i mean Paterno is obviously FOS and knew what was going on, but some people are looking for a standard of a real paper trail, or Lt. Cedric Daniels, Jimmy McNulty, & [censored] Bubbs catching him talking about it.

i mean, so this graduate assistant who was "very upset", came to your home to tell you about what he saw, but didn't get specific? and you didn't ask considered it involved your former DC of 20+ years? he just said that it involved "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy" and then went home, and you just buried your head in the sand (and thought nothing of it considering the prior, similar allegations against him)? kool!

"I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold. In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are."

no, [censored] you, Joe!

In other words -- If True -- I didn't know anything. Once informed of something, I did the minimum: I kicked it up the chain, looked away and chose never to think of it again.

If Paterno knew something and did nothing, he's an accessory. If he didn't know, he should have known. Such are the burdens of omniscience as understood by the cult of the Division I football coach.

If true, what did Joe know, and when did he know it?

The failure here is complete. Utter. The failure of the institution and the failure of the individual. The failure of the community. The failure of common decency.

If true? Your failure. My failure. We didn't keep our children safe.

What did Joe know, and when did Joe know it?

The truth is a horror story. If true.

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the DA for some reason decided not to proceed with charges in regard to the 1998 incident. we don't know why...because he disappeared mysteriously and was never found, and his computer was destroyed in a river or something.

after a year and a bit the '98 information went away (as per law or whatever), and the '00 & '02 incidents were never reported to police. this stuff about Sandusky only came to light because the mother of one of the victims came to police in 2008.

thought she said she stopped covering the PSU beat in '98, so her working elsewhere might explain it.

not exactly, this POS was a volunteer coach at a local high school, and the mother of one of the victims went to the school administrators who then went to police as they were required to do by law.

certainly, the same laws are in place for university officials (which should include paterno); why paterno isn't facing charges is beyond me.

A mother brought forth info in 2008 about something that happened when (in 2008?)? Don't have the pdf open on my phone. What years are the later victims listed as in the report?

Then from there the police... did what? Talked to Paterno? Got into contact somehow with this GA? Exactly how this part unfolded is unclear to me. How did the police find out about 2002?

The informant about 2002 hasn't been made clear.

Surprised the President hasn't stepped down after signing off on the laughable Sandusky not being able to bring kids to campus ban and then supporting all of these clowns.

here's a thought that really, really, REALLY disturbs me...

sandusky didn't just wake up one morning in 1998 at the age of 54 and decide "i'm going to diddle some little boys today." i would venture a guess he developed some bisexual habits at a much earlier age. hell, he may have been molested himself as a youth. so in all of that sexual contact, what are the chances jerry sandusky is hiv-? i don't think rapists are thinking "lemme slide a condom on first before i commit this violent sex act."

i imagine the number of victims in this story is in the 100s, whether that is ever confirmed or not. i can't imagine how difficult my life would be if i was molested at a young age like that, but the sickest thing to me is not only would these victims' lives be infinitely more difficult; then even if they work through all of the problems with counseling and therapy they still aren't out of the woods because maybe sandusky also destroyed their health.

Thundercat, that was a very unnecessary post. Afaik bisexuals and homosexuals are no more likely to be pedophiles than straight men. There's no evidence he was interested in men his age. Dude was straight (with current info). Yeah, yeah little boys. Not the same.

this quote struck me from the Kim Jones interview:

"I cannot believe the Joe Paterno that we have come to know and that I covered, I cannot believe that his heart is that black."

I don't have a singular purpose; it is more like three:

1. Paterno fulfilled his legal obligations;

2. Paterno failed as a human and should have forcefully involved himself in the situation;

3. However, not to excuse his lack of action, but to perhaps introduce some explanation as to why he didn't act, I have raised some issues that may have kept him from acting (or at least thinking about acting more seriously).

Yet, we already knew about the shoes.

huh, who said anything about bisexual/homosexual/straight pedophilia tendencies? i don't think you have a clear understanding of what i said. maybe read it again.

my sole point was, what if sandusky is hiv+ and has passed that disease along to 100+ young males. i was just saying that is a horrific thought that i hadn't heard anyone mention yet.

And yet within a few hours of the story breaking publicly, all that emeritus privilege stuff is revoked and he's banned from campus. So it wasn't *really* an impediment at all.

Joe Paterno would know this.

Oh noes...the kiddie raper has tenure! Pffffffft

The football team does not have the power to revoke emeritus status, Only the University does.

You are the one that took issue with my initial statement by claiming he was not an "employee." I was pointing out that he is more than an employee.

So your initial criticism of my comment about Paterno being subject to protocol concerning Sandusky was incorrect.

and yes, as pointed out in the Grand Jury report, the kiddie raper did have tenure and was beyond the jurisdiction of the football team (who couldn't even enforce their ban against Sandusky bringing kids on campus).

Stop being a moran.

What if when Sandusky pulled out his junk in the shower the whole stadium blew up in the middle of a game and killed 100,000 people? That is a horrific thought and I haven't seen anyone mention that yet, either.

besides Ive heard from a good source in oot that aids is a societal conspiracy

He's not facing any.

Just listened to that interview with Kim Jones on the fan. Wow. I think the only way Penn St has any chance at recovering is to fire everyone that heard anything immediately. President, professors, Coaches, trainers, even the people that washed the uniforms. If you heard even the slightest bit your gone.

The vast majority of reporters go their entire lives and don't even whiff a story 1/4 as big as this, so I doubt it.

Oski, plz stop Oskiing, thx

I see you don't know much about HIV transmission rates.

He knew about 1998 almost for sure, in 2002 when he was told again, yet he did nothing other than the bare minimum.

Everyone knows that - TC's post said "should". Thanks for yet another non-contribution.