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Choosing to wait for the Brazilian cops to arrive would have been horrifically stupid. You have as much chance to clearing things up as you do being required to pay a decent sized bribe.

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08-18-2016 , 10:01 PM

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ClarkNasty

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Lol

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08-18-2016 , 10:06 PM

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mullen

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Jesus Christ, that's what makes it a fabrication! If they didn't start anything, then nothing happens.

I didn't say they fabricated nothing. I said the entire story was not completely fabricated. Which is accurate.

Correct, if they didn't DESTROY and VANDALIZE the gas station bathroom they wouldn't have been robbed at gunpoint!

Pics of the DESTRUCTION from TMZ:

Check out the carnage on that brand new sign. And God knows the manpower it took to break down that state-of-the-art door with a special locking system. Unreal. Who knows how many more drunk fools they'll have to rob at gunpoint to pay for all the damage?

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08-18-2016 , 10:11 PM

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Alpha Fish

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yeah being forced to fork over $50 for $3 worth of damages is a definition of robbery

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08-18-2016 , 10:12 PM

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

One party is likely guilty of vandalism, and the other party is likely guilty of assault with a deadly weapon.

The point is it's a completely different story than "We were the victims of hijackers disguised as police." or "We were the victims of one of those taxis who deliver tourists to robbers." Like the whole part about being victims instead of jerks.

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08-18-2016 , 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

yeah being forced to fork over $50 for $3 worth of damages is a definition of robbery

Any negotiation held at gunpoint is robbery imo.

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08-18-2016 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rakeme

Two wrongs don't make a right. One party is likely guilty of vandalism, and the other party is likely guilty of assault with a deadly weapon.

So every time someone pulls out a gun in the US it is automatically an assault with a deadly weapon?

Really?

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08-18-2016 , 10:17 PM

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Absolutely if you point it at someone. Assault is not the act of actually carrying out the violence. Battery is.

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08-18-2016 , 10:19 PM

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Absolutely if you point it at someone. Assault is not the act of actually carrying out the violence. Battery is.

So if I walk into a bank and grab a bunch of money, and a security guard points a gun at me, he goes to jail?

Really?

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08-18-2016 , 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jsb235

So every time someone pulls out a gun in the US it is automatically an assault with a deadly weapon?

Really?

without a damn good reason, yes. it is.

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08-18-2016 , 10:21 PM

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Why would he point a gun at you unless you robbed the bank? What's your question? Are you saying if he randomly did it? Of course he isn't allowed to do that legally.

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08-18-2016 , 10:22 PM

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So every time someone pulls out a gun in the US it is automatically an assault with a dealy weapon?

Really?

If you pull a gun and point it at someone in a threatening way, it meets the elements of assault (unless you have good cause). That said, most DAs probably won't charge you with assault but just brandishing (assuming they bother with the case).

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08-18-2016 , 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

yeah being forced to fork over $50 for $3 worth of damages is a definition of robbery

Per TMZ, according the Lochte it was actually $400.

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08-18-2016 , 10:24 PM

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4 drunk meatheads turn up at your gas station at 5am and start kicking doors in and pissing everywhere = you can get your gun out and start waving it around imo

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08-18-2016 , 10:25 PM

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4 drunk meatheads turn up at your gas station at 5am and start kicking doors in and pissing everywhere = you can get your gun out and start waving it around imo

Meh. Depends on the state. In Alabama or Arizona definitely.

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08-18-2016 , 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT

Why would he point a gun at you unless you robbed the bank? What's your question? Are you saying if he randomly did it? Of course he isn't allowed to do that legally.

The security guard didn't randomly point a gun at these guys. They committed a crime and he was simply detaining them. Which is pretty much his job.

The money for restitution was paid to the owner of the gas station. Police confirmed this when they said the owner wasn't pressing charges.

The only person claiming that the security guard took money is Ryan Lochte. And if you believe him, well, there's really no point in continuing this discussion, is there.

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08-18-2016 , 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BAIDS

4 drunk meatheads turn up at your gas station at 5am and start kicking doors in and pissing everywhere = you can get your gun out and start waving it around imo

I really hope no one go to you for legal advice, cause this is still a crime. You can't point a gun at someone unless you would be justified in shooting them in self defense (at least in Virginia and I assume the same in most other states).

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08-18-2016 , 10:30 PM

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whats the ****en point of having a gun if you cant pull it on ryan lochte when hes pissing onto your door that he just kicked in

(i coulda prolly stopped at lochte)

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08-18-2016 , 10:32 PM

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http://golf.swingbyswing.com/article...f-at-gunpoint/

Your move, counselor.

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08-18-2016 , 10:32 PM

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mullen

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Lol. That's not the way it works. If you rear-end my car and I pull my gun out to get you to give me enough cash to fix it I don't get to go on my merry way and say I was just detaining you. Plastic Badge gas station security guards in Rio aren't law enforcement.

This entire story is so bizarre I won't believe either side fully until I see the unedited tape, if it's ever released.

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08-18-2016 , 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jsb235

http://golf.swingbyswing.com/article...f-at-gunpoint/

Your move, counselor.

I mean here is the VA statute:

https://vacode.org/2016/18.2/7/4/18.2-282/

It's pretty clear that it's a crime to point a gun except where it could be "excusable or justifiable self-defense"

As for your link, it's quite possible it's still a crime in AZ, but police just chose not to arrest him for brandishing.

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08-18-2016 , 10:35 PM

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So I just read that Ryan Lochte was the "sex idiot" from '30 Rock'. I haven't seen that show, anyone remember him?

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08-18-2016 , 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mullen

If we get in an accident and you try to drive away, I can stop you from doing so. That's the law. Just look at the video I posted. That guy isn't going to jail.

And no one is saying these guys were extorted except Lochte. Everyone else is saying the guys decided to pay the $50 rather than wait around for the cops.

How can you not understand that it is really pretty likely that what happened is what everyone except Lochte who was involved in this has said what happened?

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08-18-2016 , 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JonnyA

So it looks like it's likely a crime in AZ as well. AZ passed a new brandishing law in 2009, which provides when you can brandish in self-defense, expanding it from only when someone threatens your life to also when necessary to protect against unlawful physical force.

http://www.performanceboats.com/pb-o...wednesday.html

Statute:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS

So, unless the guy in your video was justifiably afraid that the guy would use the golf club on him, it was technically a crime, but police likely just let it slide.

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08-18-2016 , 10:44 PM

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esad

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Originally Posted by jsb235

Sigh...

You're only allowed to use reasonable force and also typically you can only detain someone for a felony.

Guy in video is lucky he wasn't charged. He was an ex-cop which probably explains why they let him off.

Guy he pulled the gun on could press charges or sue. It was a really stupid thing to do over stolen golf clubs.

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