Yes. The truth is frequently, and here, in between both sides. Were they "robbed"? Eh, by American standards a rent a cop pulling a gun and demanding cash is certainly not kosher. But they also seemed to have *something* coming.

Huh?

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Can't wait to see the security guards version of events. Plus he is probably 60+ years old, working two jobs, helping pay his grandkids to a better school.

Nice work Lochte, leaving your pals, your home safe.

and I want to be clear, I do think Lochte has either made up or embellished basically the entire story. However, this is just my personal viewpoint and I am working with incomplete information so I don't have the high levels of certainty required to pretend like I know the truth. I just do not like the inconsistency of people who take incomplete information in some instances to claim an alleged victim is lying and in other circumstances are unwilling to even entertain the idea that an alleged victim would lie about something. It is always good to question people and their motives and then let those who are most informed bring the truth to light.

IF to Lochte a security guard is the same thing as a fake cop (plausible though still possibly untrue) AND he didn't want to give the security guard money YET did give him money BECAUSE he thought he had no choice (plausible though still possibly untrue) THEN this version of events doesn't make Lochte look like a liar it simply makes him look like a douchebag petty criminal who damaged property like a punk and then got backed into a corner where he didn't have an obvious out and conveyed the story to his mother and police using very imprecise terminology that is not fitting for such a serious accusation.

This is all assuming that the security guard demanding money from them is actually the true version of events which is still unclear, but most likely true in my very uninformed opinion.

Just to be clear, fellas, I was being facetious when I said this. Lol, no they weren't confused about whether or not they were "robbed" by the gas station they damaged when they claimed fake police sideswiped their taxi, forced them to the ground, put a gun to their head, and took only their cash.

In the second story, Lochte clearly just trying to get closer to the truth--taxi driver wouldn't go (uh, maybe because they'd just trashed the bathroom) and then they were robbed at gunpoint. Lol at believing these asshats--it's really not a big deal at all but "They did something stupid and lied about it." seems to draw an allergic reaction or something.

Do you ever get the urge to punch yourself in the face?

The idea that you think victim blaming regarding rape and victim blaming regarding robbery is an apples to apples comparison is such a terrible premise that whatever you build on top of it is irrelevant.

Think of it like this - let's assume he was genuinely a victim of this crime, and let's assume a random rape victim A was raped. If Lochte reports it and no one believes him and calls him a liar, what is the effect on his life? Will it be especially traumatic? Will it effect his friendships, family relationships and social life? Will it having a lasting effect on him for years and possibly his whole life? Will he be at a significantly higher risk of suicide? Now ask the same questions of random rape victim A. Can you see the difference yet?

As someone said above, you are blindingly devoid of nuance.

CDL ruining the thread

If he were actually robbed at gunpoint and had a gun pointed at his head, maybe. Not disagreeing with you, but I would assume that would be quite traumatic.

Can we stop POGging up this thread

Nah, it would be like "whatever"

It's just like that movie with Vince Vaughan and Commodus! (Return to Paradise)

The Brazilian judge should troll the **** out of this by giving the other 3 swimmers 3 years, unless Lochte returns, in which case they all get 3 months.

The actual gun to the head, believe-you're-about-to-die thing, yeah maybe, but that hasn't been his story for quite a while now. Someone waving a gun somewhere in your general direction, not so much.

Here's the thing, shouldn't really go pulling guns on people because they trashed a gas station bathroom.

no, but thankfully I don't get the urge to grab stranger's asses in the mall or non-consensually fingerbang girls at Christmas parties either.

You can default to believing the victim while also not condemning the accused at the time of the accusation and then take the time (usually this is much longer than a few days) to gather the facts and evidence and form a picture of what actually happened. This would be a good start and would prevent victim blaming as well as stop reputations from being ruined by false accusations. Its a win/win, but very few people take this approach over choosing to believe one side or the other.

Don't think this has been posted yet - Rio pool seems to have a current that makes it more difficult to swim in the outer lanes:

https://swimswam.com/problem-rio-pool/

Moral of the story: Jumping to conclusions before facts are out has very little upside and a lot of downside and thus should not be done by the public or the media in any case where someone's reputation could be damaged.

Secondary takeaway: The media need to be more careful with their reporting and include nuance so as not to convince the public that something that is still speculative is actually a fact.

The issue is that the media has an incentive to provide hotter takes and report or present many things as facts even when they aren't confirmed due to the way viewership is compensated and the habits and desires of the public to consume different types of content.

I thought the moral was lolcdl

Just another Aussie golfer type of story

People believed it as you had
4 USA swimmers telling it
Other athlete had similar situation
Its Brazil

The mots famous one gets out to boot. I am surprised the US consulate has not stepped in

Well, they did later change it to say they were at a gas station!

moral is definitely that CDL should think before he tries to score cheap points with horrible arguments that just end up back at lolcdlbot.

what if they change the story again, clark? Which version do you believe then?

This seems much more likely then Clark's Brazillian centric theory.