Crosby gonna be exempt from 3 year vesting period for HHOF?

Did he die or sth?

No.

Interesting. Also fitting Gretzky was inducted in 99

Lol at the pens using all their run good in 1 game.

Congrats to the 2017 Eastern Conference Champions Ottawa Senators

hot take?: Sid's already a top-5 player all-time


Gretz
Orr
Mario
Sid
Gordie
Jagr
Lidstrom
Hasek
Bourque
Roy


something like that

Hasek and Roy but no Brodeur or Plante?

lol brodeur

Really? I mean, I know numbers aren't everything, but you can't argue with them

Roy are Fatty are close, but for me, like all those Devils teams were built around defense-first
think Roy was left to himself far more, so he gets the edge there

Plante idk, i'm not that old
i considered adding guys like Harvey, Shore, etc but again, idk

It's an oft cited mark against Brodeur but I don't see it as such. Sure, having defense in front of you is great, but it also makes a high save percentage that much more impressive. It's easy to pull down a .925 facing 35-40 garbage shots a game compared to 20 quality shots a game. Offensive players had to work for their shots against the Devs and they were more precise for that reason. Also, add in the fact that overall his team's were pretty bad offensively and still won 3 cups, and his importance is beyond compare. Roy could win a cup with his eyes closed with some of the offenses he played with.

You also can't argue with his longevity. No goalie is ever gonna touch his games played record. And he was a madman with the stick. He singlehandedly forced the league to change a rule to nerf him, and he still managed to be a stickhandlimg force until he retired.

I think it's close but I have them both ahead of Hasek. Hasek revolutionised a play style, but so did Brodeur. He simply wasn't good enough long enough to top Marty and Roy.

Why would you assume that good defenses would give up higher quality shots? They just give up 20 garbage shots.

This isn't an argument for quality. He had Orr at #2 so longevity isn't a factor in that list.

Hasek > all of them probably but I'd listen to arguments for Roy.

Brodeur isn't even a top 20,000 nhl player. And I don't even know if there has been 20,000 players in the nhl.

Still shook.
Brodeur:Roy as Quick:??

Man, which of your players did Marty destroy over and over?

In Wayne's 1st year he tied for the scoring title with Marcel Dionne. He outright won the title for the next 8 years. In that time he averaged 50% more points per season than the #2 person in scoring each year.

To me that stat says more about how good he was than any other.

No mike bossy ?
i would not put him that high just yet.

I would put Crosby 4th because he's clearly better than the players listed below him.

Sadly I haven't seen enough of Orr.

It's basically impossible to rank players across different eras, but it's fun anyway. I remember when the Hockey News made a special issue magazine in 1998 ranking the top 100 NHL players of all time. Amazingly, Jagr is so good that he was ranked as the 37th best player of all time back then. He then scored over 1,000 more points in the NHL after that.

It's weird watching those highlights today. Nobody with a helmet, tiny little goalies with tiny little pads playing way back in their nets, everyone looks so slow. If you time machine EK65 to that era, man. Would have even outscored Orr if you could keep him healthy. But in his era Orr looked like he was skating in another gear. Just kept his chin up and skated from end to end over and over scoring goals.

I think the only way to compare players between eras is to rate them by how much they exceed others of their own era.

Ie. Insert fancy calculation.

Gretzky exceeds avg player of his era(s) by 3.6x

Orr by 2.5x

Crosby is amazing by I don't know if you can see he exceeds others of his era by as much.

Hockey is the most difficult sport to compare across eras because of the vast improvements in equipment that changed the way the game is played.

There's no question that, say, an elite goaltender of today in modern equipment is 1000x better than an elite goaltender from the 50s in the equipment from that era. Even if you standardized for equipment, modern athletes are much better than older athletes. They didn't even lift weights beck then.

Certainly you can do smart things like this to establish some kind of baseline context for comparing two players, but it really only works well for similar types of players. Like, you can get a handle on how one high scoring forward from one era compares against another. But trying to answer questions like Jonathan Toews vs. Denis Potvin vs. Eddie Shore is not really accessible to statistical analysis.

yeah, imagine if actually they would train better like the players of today...