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09-28-2006 , 06:53 PM

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09-28-2006 , 06:57 PM

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Um, Adam Dunn hits like .230. Only worry about Ichiro is his average with RISP in April and in August were .174 and .094, so that might be a problem.

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09-28-2006 , 06:59 PM

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Um, Adam Dunn hits like .230.

here we go...

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09-28-2006 , 07:00 PM

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Um, Adam Dunn hits like .230.

here we go...

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09-28-2006 , 07:02 PM

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Also Dunn strikes out a lot more and walks too much. If he walked less and struck out less he'd get more hits and be a better hitter.

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09-28-2006 , 07:05 PM

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And how many sac flies does he have?

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09-28-2006 , 07:45 PM

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can we change the poll title to "better player"? that definitely changes my answer.

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09-28-2006 , 07:50 PM

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can we change the poll title to "better player"? that definitely changes my answer.

No. That's the point!

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09-28-2006 , 07:58 PM

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this is REALLY bizarre. my housemate and i got into this argument this summer.

i said dunn.

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09-28-2006 , 07:59 PM

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Um, Adam Dunn hits like .230.

here we go...

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09-28-2006 , 08:08 PM

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Jack of Arcades

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There as different as hitters can be, but they're roughly the same value.

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09-28-2006 , 08:31 PM

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Both their teams are missing the playoffs, so the answer is obviously neither.

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09-28-2006 , 09:28 PM

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There as different as hitters can be, but they're roughly the same value.

Same value at the plate?
Or are you factoring in speed and defense?

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09-28-2006 , 09:36 PM

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Remember Jack, Ichiro's speed allows him to stretch out extra bases and hits Adam Dunn can't (and I believe that shows up on EQA). Dunn's the better hitter, though Ichiro playing RF with his speed clearly makes him the better overall player.

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09-28-2006 , 09:41 PM

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Remember Jack, Ichiro's speed allows him to stretch out extra bases and hits Adam Dunn can't (and I believe that shows up on EQA).

This evens out by the fact that Dunn's singles and doubles typically advance runners further.

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09-28-2006 , 09:45 PM

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Good point.

Ah well, who the hell cares if Ichiro's a better hitter or not, he's easily the better player. :P

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09-28-2006 , 10:07 PM

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Speed and defense makes up for 100 points of slugging?

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09-29-2006 , 09:24 AM

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There as different as hitters can be, but they're roughly the same value.

Same value at the plate?
Or are you factoring in speed and defense?

I'm factoring in stolen bases. 44/46 on SBs really makes up a lot of ground. Throw in park factors and you've got similar-value hitters.

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09-29-2006 , 10:05 AM

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If he walked less and struck out less he'd get more hits and be a better hitter.

What's the deal with this guy? Is he joking, or...?

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09-29-2006 , 10:17 AM

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yes.

So who has voted for Ichiro?

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09-29-2006 , 11:04 AM

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I think Ichiro's the better player (esp if he sticks in center) , but that Dunn's more valuable as a hitter.

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09-29-2006 , 11:17 AM

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yes.

So who has voted for Ichiro?

I voted for Ichiro because he's under rated on this board and I thought I'd be the only one.

Then I was going to defend myself by defining hitting as the ability to get hits, which Ichiro is obviously better. As it is, the votes are about half and half, so I can say that Dunn is a better batter. When you factor in the speed Ichiro brings to the table, they are close overall offensively, although I still go with Dunn (Dunn is not a slow man). When you factor in the defense, even with Ichiro in right, Ichiro is a much better overall player.

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09-29-2006 , 12:06 PM

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There as different as hitters can be, but they're roughly the same value.

Same value at the plate?
Or are you factoring in speed and defense?

I'm factoring in stolen bases. 44/46 on SBs really makes up a lot of ground. Throw in park factors and you've got similar-value hitters.

Not to be a nit, but if were measuring who is a better hitter isn't speed irrelevant?

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09-29-2006 , 12:33 PM

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44/46 on SBs really makes up a lot of ground.

95.6% has to be the record for players with over 40 steals?

The only guys I can remember with a 10:1 ratio of steals to caught with over 30 SB were Eric Davis, 35/3 in 1988, and Barry Larkin 51/5 in 1995. Larkin was 91/8 over the three years from 1993-1995. Carlos Beltran was 31/1 in 2001, 41/4 in 2003, and 42/3 in 2004. He's got to be considered the most effiecent basestealer of all time, with a career 209 SB at an 87% clip. From 2000-2004, he stole 162 at a 91.5% rate!