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NHL Stanley Cup Finals 2011: Your Vancouver Canucks vs The Big, Bad Boston Bruins

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IT'S TIMMY ****ING THOMAS TIME!!!

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05-30-2011 , 05:59 PM

#201

aoFrantic

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lol Flames/Arsenal.

There are possibilities Wenger might spend money and it's a near certainty Winnipeg will have an NHL team in days. For my teams having awful years, I could have a great sports summer.

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05-30-2011 , 05:59 PM

#202

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Is Marchand/Bergeron/Ryder a first line?

sure.

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05-30-2011 , 06:00 PM

#203

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Is Marchand/Bergeron/Ryder a first line?

If so, please rank that first line vs the others in the league. 28th?

Not by your "sortbypoints" definition, no. But as far as efficiency and metrics go, they'd probably do quite alright.

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05-30-2011 , 06:00 PM

#204

WhiteGoose

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If Bergeron is a 1st liner by himself, and so is Kessel, and Marc Savard is better than Joe Thornton or Vincent Lecavalier, then Carolina beating Boston in the '09 ECQF is the biggest upset in sports history.

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05-30-2011 , 06:01 PM

#205

AdamSchwartz

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okay you caught me. no, that's not what i meant. but bergeron and marchand and recchi are, even though marchand and recchi don't appear to do much more than tread water. so yes, if you were randomly making lines by pulling names out of a hat, which nobody does, the line that bergeron ends up on *may* not be a 1st line. are you happy now?

Look, the original post you made basically said Boston has two first lines. I took issue with that because it's simply not true.

If you mean they have two first lines relative to the rest of the talent on Boston, fine. If you mean relative to the rest of the league, then lol.

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05-30-2011 , 06:01 PM

#206

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grunch another thread 1800 posts early?

not this time. lol Flames/Arsenal has been solid for like 5 years now.

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There are possibilities Wenger might spend money and it's a near certainty Winnipeg will have an NHL team in days. For my teams having awful years, I could have a great sports summer.

and that's about it. fall/winter and it's back to reality.

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05-30-2011 , 06:01 PM

#207

Loretta8

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lol Flames/Arsenal.

ok, so i guess the matchups Boston will be looking for are:

Marchand-Bergeron-Recchi
Chara-Seidenberg
vs
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

and

Lucic-Krejci-Horton
whoever their 2nd best pairing is (Ference/Boychuk?)
vs
Higgins-Kesler-Raymond

yes this is the Bruins 2nd best pairing. the 3rd pairing involves Kaberle, hence its the third best pairing.

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05-30-2011 , 06:04 PM

#208

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Look, the original post you made basically said Boston has two first lines. I took issue with that because it's simply not true.

If you mean they have two first lines relative to the rest of the talent on Boston, fine. If you mean relative to the rest of the league, then lol.

I mean ignore everything we've said if you want, but yes it is.

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05-30-2011 , 06:05 PM

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Look, the original post you made basically said Boston has two first lines. I took issue with that because it's simply not true.

except that it is. bergeron's line + krejci-horton-lucic drive play. we have different definitions of 1st line.

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If you mean they have two first lines relative to the rest of the talent on Boston, fine. If you mean relative to the rest of the league, then lol.

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05-30-2011 , 06:06 PM

#210

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Not by your "sortbypoints" definition, no. But as far as efficiency and metrics go, they'd probably do quite alright.

I'm not sure why people keep putting words in my mouth, I never once said anything about look how many points that have.

I watched lots of Bruins this year, both in the playoffs and reg season. They happen to be my favorite Leastern team.

Bergeron is a very good two way forward. He's Kesler light. Putting it into context to what Triumph said the best B's forwards left for him to play with as a "first line" are Marchand and Ryder?

Those two would be far down the list of most teams in terms of depth. Couple that with the fact that Bergeron is no Yzerman or Sakic and you do not have a first line unless you are talking about the Islanders.

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05-30-2011 , 06:07 PM

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If you don't think Boston's first two lines are that good because of their lack of point production, what reasoning are you using for stating they aren't that good?

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05-30-2011 , 06:08 PM

#212

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He wanted someone to call him on it so he could spout a bunch of metrics to prove that Bergeron and two Jody Shelly's could be a first line all by themselves.

This doesn't further your point in any way. How many times would a player with Bergeron's already cited talent be thrown out there with Jody Shelley-like players? I'll answer that for you: it would never happen because it's dumb. If you want to replace his linemates with guys with some sort of talent, they'd probably still do fine.

Kesler is actually a good example of this. He played with bad teammates all year and still had a very good season. He can carry a line with guys who aren't as good as he is, just like Bergeron could.

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05-30-2011 , 06:09 PM

#213

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Ya, i've got to stop going on and on about how many points they have.

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05-30-2011 , 06:15 PM

#214

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so do any of you Bergeron fanboys want to speculate as to how Boston's super terrific happy lines are going to stack up against Vancouver's, or are you just here to remind us all that shots >>> goals again?

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05-30-2011 , 06:17 PM

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they're not going to do particularly well because vancouver is really good and boston's defense absent chara blows. no one's disputing that. what is being disputed is that patrice bergeron isn't awesome, because he is. team canada noticed.

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05-30-2011 , 06:23 PM

#216

AdamSchwartz

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I agree Bergeron is awesome, I guess we have a different view on what makes a first line.

I want the last 30 minutes back.

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05-30-2011 , 06:26 PM

#217

cwicemvp12

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Originally Posted by 72off

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05-30-2011 , 06:44 PM

#218

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Originally Posted by HVEEPOKER

Not that we are going to see this anytime soon. I think rule of thumb is.
If you pay say 300 for your seat per game as a season ticket holder.
First round and second round would be about 450.
Third Round 600
Final would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a grand.

Lower bowl seats would easily catch 3 or 4 K from a scalper. More if the Leafs and Habs were playing in the finals.
A lot depends on what teams are playing. Habs Van final would probably fetch some extra for a scalper.
League sets the prices for the playoffs too I do believe.

HVEE,

Have you considered uploading your thoughts to YouTube? With a little work I think you might just be the #1 Hockey Analyst on there.

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05-30-2011 , 06:47 PM

#219

Geddy Lee

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The great thing about a possible Flames Cup run in the 2p2 era (if I'm still posting 32 years from now) is that I'll be alone on an island in the threads, because ao will once again be a diehard Jets fan and the Jarome Iginla gimmick will probably find himself behind bars somewhere.

"Matty Stajan, ma nig" is still the greatest location in 2p2 history. Bar none.

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05-30-2011 , 06:50 PM

#220

WhiteGoose

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The Flames are my 3rd favorite team, bro. I would cheer for them against 13 of the 15 EC teams.

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05-30-2011 , 06:51 PM

#221

Geddy Lee

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My EtatsBold prediction: if Thomas steals one of the first two, this series goes 7.

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05-30-2011 , 06:53 PM

#222

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"Matty Stajan, ma nig" is still the greatest location in 2p2 history. Bar none.

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05-30-2011 , 07:03 PM

#223

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man, the "Marchand-Bergeron-Ryder" first line talk made me remember how much I HATE Marchand.

Is there any way the Canucks can win in 3?

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05-30-2011 , 07:14 PM

#224

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HVEE,

Have you considered uploading your thoughts to YouTube? With a little work I think you might just be the #1 Hockey Analyst on there.

fantastic

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05-30-2011 , 07:18 PM

#225

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Can we start a HVEE vs. InsomniacReviewer rivalry?

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