there are a thousand different public opinions about how a gm does their job. none of them have perfect information. it makes for good talk radio when the team is going through a 10 game losing streak or whatever, and even better 24/7 footage, but i for one don't care that he said it. there's no reason to think that internally gmgm shut down analytics arguments or didn't listen to his scouts.

lul

So McPhee, what do we know about him building a team?

Rofllll

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/15/...make-panthers/

hope this blows up in their stupid faces so hard

Mtl finished 13 in their conference last year.
I wonder, if the trade was SO bad for some of you, what are your prediction for MTL next year.

I am 100% positive they will make at least the playoff and probably win the first round of the playoff, without Subban.
Which is much better than last year btw.

What's yours ?

Pretty entertaining to blast Bergevin off but i would like to see who will be right at the end of next season.

The way people talk here is Bergevin just destroyed the team so i guess the MTL canadians should not even make the playoffs, correct?

While imo, if it was an -ev decision trading Subban with Weber, it is by a super thin margin which at the end, should not change the team results much on the ice...

price replacing condon definitely means we won the subban trade

Pretty sure the Canadians won't make the playoffs

Well the ****ty game philosophy of MT wont be changed by the trade. Price might cover up a lot but other then that the games are pretty boring to watch most of the time.

The team will go as Price goes. I think the Subban/Weber trade is not great now and will be glaringly bad in 5 years, unless Subban is less than what his numbers say.

I believe in defensive pairs, results depend on how your partner fits with your game. With a guy like Byfuglien you need someone who thinks steps ahead or plays very conservatively. I assume the same is true of Subban.

Does Weber make his partner seem good, that is what they are saying about Suter's drop-off, or is Josi the next Weber?

What?
lol..ok

When Price was playing in 2014-15, Mtl finish second in the conference and lost to Tampa bay in the 2nd round playoff , whom went to the stanley cup finals.

The year before, MTL went to the conference final and lost ( when Price got injured to play the final) to NY rangers.

This year when Price got injured, MTL just plunged into hell.

all those seasons, Subban was playing great...

Point is, the Subban/Weber transaction is not that dramatic.
Price is the heart and player franchise of this team, not Subban.

Mtl will do just has great as Price will, simply because Price is the best player in this league, period.

Since the start i think all agrees, the major concern are for the "after 5 years" transaction.

But at that time, Mtl will be able to rebuy his contract or w.e if Weber shall not be in MTL plans anymore.

El rata and hammer are right

ps:My personal view is this tho, with all the stories we read in Mtl, Weber shall help the team much better than Subban would out of the ice which imo, has more value than some people think.
Call me crazy but i think Subban was representing perfectly the character of jamie fox in the movie "any given sunday", with all the problem the team were composing with until jamie fox understood 1 or 2 thing to become a real leader, which unfortunately, Subban did not get yet.

mebbe he should stop getting hurt then

orly?

have you seen the movie ?
both great talent.
one understood what playing for a team met, the other did not.

And btw , all the stories we heard here in mtl was coming from the players themselves...even the captain.
plenty of video you can see on youtube why Subban do not make team canada and weber does.

unfortunately too many people think because is good on the ice that all it matters for a team.
There's a reason why it took someone like Messier for rangers to win a cup even if for many years , the ranger had great players before messier came.

can't believe this guy goofing around with Cabbie after a G1 playoff loss to the Bumz

doesn't care at all, not a leader, etc

Jets sign Armia 2x0.925 and Lowry 2x1.125.

The Lowry deal is sweet.

3 RFAs left, Trouba, Lipon, Tanev.

Jets at $64,000,000, they are inching toward the cap.

Found himself a supply of 'special' supplements, eh.

Dallas signs Benn to 8yrs, $9.5M per and not a peep.

Blues signing Schwartz, 5yr - $5.35M per

I got Subban as being more of a Jamie Foxx in Collateral. Making the old past his peak white man look like an idiot

That would really piss me off if I'm a Sens fan.

because the Jets have wealthy owners while the Sens' one is busto?

‘Analytics hasn’t reached maturity in the NHL yet': Matt Pfeffer

Zidane for Brassard. Seems like a bad deal for the sens on first glance

whoa whoa whoa, wait ... all this talk of super duper advanced analytic work and $ecret $tat$ we couldn't even begin to comprehend that these guys must be working with, and the method by which he used to evaluate Subban v Weber was relative goal difference, which is essentially ... PLUS MINUS!?!

looooooooooooooool

ya that trade is kinda weird
Sens never seemed to be all happy with Zibanejad tho
he's a lot cheaper this year, RFA next ... maybe they weren't feeling his extension demands
Brassard is a local boy from HULL
and a LH center, perhaps they needed that for draws opposite the RH Turris
bold move flipping a center for one 5.5 years older