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Old 04-13-2018, 12:08 PM   #26
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

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I find it fascinating that so many sports fans advocate for harsh player evaluations when most employees are TERRIFIED at the prospect of modest accountability. The average 2p2er might be an exception but I'm sure some of the armchair GMs on here shirk responsibility like madmen in their personal lives.
Speaking for myself, I will immodestly agree that I am not in the top 0.001% of my field making a 7 figure salary. If I was, I would fully expect to be held accountable.

re: Dundon - part of me does agree that much of the league has started to realize the dangers of certain types of roster decisions - for example, you don't see as many horrific UFA contracts any more. However, you still do see a lot of middling to severe mistakes. However, you do see Subban for Weber trades, contract buyouts, and the entirety of Peter Chiarelli all of which you could avoid with some sort of model.

When you look around and see substantial numbers of indefensibly bad trades and signings being made, there's certainly a case to ask "how can we identify and exploit those inefficiences, while avoiding introducing them ourselves?".

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having some rigid system seems bad
why even employ ppl then? just legit design a model to make decisions for you
The way it was explained by Friedman is that Dundon wants to follow the Eagles plan. In any given situation, there are red/yellow/green lights, and he gave an example such as this:

You are 4th and 20 from your own 10 in a tie game. Thats a big red light to go for it.
You are 4th and 7 from midfield in a tie game. That's a yellow light where maybe you should or shouldn't go for it.
You are 4th and 1 from the midfield in a tie game. That's a green light to go for it.

Now imagine that from roster construction where you're developing your UFA signing model (as a very basic example):

UFA is >30, has declined in production for the last 2 years, had PDO >100 last year, and wants a 7 year contract: that's a red light.
UFA is >27, has had consistent production for the last 2 years, and wants a 7 year contract: that's a yellow light.
UFA is <26, has had consistent or improving production the last 2 years, and wants a 5 year contract: that's a green light.

The job of the GM is to figure out what factors to put in that model BEFORE ever considering an actual player. This takes all of the personal bias out of it. Once you have your model, the decision making primarily revolves around the yellow light areas, and tweaking your model as to where the red/yellow/green trigger points should be.
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Old 04-13-2018, 02:55 PM   #27
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

Changing the Topic I see the Oiler's missing the playoffs again next year. Just to many weaknesses to fill.
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Old 04-13-2018, 03:34 PM   #28
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I work with a couple of former hockey players... by all accounts McDavid is a tool and shouldn't be a captain
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Old 04-13-2018, 04:17 PM   #29
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

Ya I'm sure that's the problem
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Old 04-13-2018, 04:33 PM   #30
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Changing the Topic I see the Oilers missing the playoffs again next year. Just too much Chiarelli
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Talk in Edmonton these days is of a power struggle between Chiarelli and the Boys on the Bus, which apparently Chiarelli has won. The front office sounds entirely dysfunctional, which I believe extends to major differences between Chiarelli and McLellan about player deployment. I would not be surprised to see a new coach shortly.
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:42 PM   #31
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Talk in Edmonton these days is of a power struggle between Chiarelli and the Boys on the Bus, which apparently Chiarelli has won. The front office sounds entirely dysfunctional, which I believe extends to major differences between Chiarelli and McLellan about player deployment. I would not be surprised to see a new coach shortly.

Well Lowe really screwed this team he was the only one that said Yakapov. All the scouts said no way but good old Kevin drafted him anyways.

I cant see Chiarelli doing much better.
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:57 PM   #32
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seemed like pretty much everyone rated Yak as the best player in that draft, which sucked

related: is Ryan Murray any good yet?


I imagine the LOiLers will keep Chiapet for the meantime because they've had so much turnover of late, and they prefer the appearance of stability over that of dysfunction

also, they might not have a much better idea of what to do
and some random buddy of Nicholson & 99 might not be any better
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:07 AM   #33
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This tweet/quote and it's reply's has seemed to sum up Chiarelli and the Oil quite nicely. Pure gold really.

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Old 04-14-2018, 01:34 AM   #34
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This tweet/quote and it's reply's has seemed to sum up Chiarelli and the Oil quite nicely. Pure gold really.

outstanding
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:07 AM   #35
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

So I guess signing older players to long term expensive contracts can have a downside.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:27 PM   #36
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Flames relieved the coaching staff, was it like the first season in ages with no coaching changes but now things starting to happen
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Old 04-18-2018, 10:24 AM   #37
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who ya got?

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Old 04-18-2018, 07:01 PM   #38
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

not Vasilevskiy

could make a case for either of the others
surprised that Hellebuyck's numbers are as good as they are

i assume that Rinne will win, being the veteran on the American team that played in the finals last year vs the kid from some frozen hellhole

Hellebuyck might even come in 3rd bc lol voters
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:03 PM   #39
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I watched a lot of Winn. games (bet them a lot) and Hellebuyck was a difference maker. He would get my vote.
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:06 PM   #40
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Hellebuyck is American so he should win
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:03 PM   #41
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Even the Canucks twitter account gets lit up.

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Old 04-19-2018, 10:11 PM   #42
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sad! deflection attempt is sad!

the Canucks are a jopke, it is known


#TheLaffsAreActuallyLol
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:02 PM   #43
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Peters out as Canes HC



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Old 04-20-2018, 05:27 PM   #44
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Pekka lock to win cause end of career and has not won, glad he gets it with a great season. Think Kopitar would be very deserving but maybe Bergeron gets it? Hedman for Norris?
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:48 PM   #45
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

Bergeron only played 63 games. Kopi gets his 2nd.

Hedman gets the "his turn" vote. DD gets the best Canadian vote. Subban gets the LOL HABS vote.
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:53 PM   #46
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Subban for Norris because lolhabs
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:56 PM   #47
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Kopi gets his 2nd.

Hedman gets "his turn"
I can dig it


Was Peters fired or did he quit?
Saw some talk of him going to Calgary
Also Sutter a possibility there
Still holding out that Burkie will convince everyone that they should hire Randy though, after the Ducks can him
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:55 PM   #48
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Re: NHL Offseason 2018: Sponsored, once again, by Canadian Fail

if you guys remember the GOAT, INSOMNIAC REVIEWER from a couple of years ago, he's currently streaming some old school BROOD WAR on twitch

https://www.twitch.tv/insomniac313

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Old 04-28-2018, 03:12 PM   #49
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*paging Everlastrr* (and everyone else who enjoys loling @ the Canucks)

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Old 04-28-2018, 03:23 PM   #50
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Insomniac Reviewer.... lol that takes me back.
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