500 goals & 1000 points is usually good to get serious consideration at least. and the higher your point per game scoring average the better.

43 guys have done that, all are in except:

Jaromir Jagr - lock 1st ballot HOFer once retired
Alex Ovechkin - lock 1st ballot HOFer once retired
Pierre Turgeon - 515g/1327pts, wonder if they'll ever circle back and consider him
Teemu Selanne - just got in today
Mark Recchi - just got in today
Jeremy Roenick - will probably get in eventually
Keith Tkachuk - has a chance
Marian Hossa - should get in
Jarome Iginla - very likely 1st ballot HOFer once retired
Dave Andreychuk - just got in today
Pat Verbeek - pretty unlikely to get in imo
Patrick Marleau - has a chance


but as scoring has dropped since the 80s, the benchmarks have become more flexible. 400-something goals & 900-something points can get you in, usually with Stanley Cup wins, individual awards, international success, etc.

it can be hard to predict because the people making the selections are real old donks.

As a Rangers fan I'm probably biased, but Zubov certainly is a deserving HHOFer. Having said that, it's not surprising that it'll take some advocacy work to get him in. Look at his Norris Trophy votes - he was seldom in the top 10, and only twice in the top 5, maxing out at #3 behind Lidstom and Niedermayer in 2006. He was overlooked in his time, so it'll be hard to build up a case after the fact.

Biased b/c of age but I'd have made Kariya a lock 1st ballet HOF .... then again I always favour guys who are elite for short periods of time then muckers who put up crazy stats based on longevity (ie. Andreychuk)

I would've made Lindros 1st ballot HOF too.

Here are some comments for fun

Pierre Turgeon - 515g/1327pts, wonder if they'll ever circle back and consider him INJURIES WILL HURT HIM, KEPT HIM FROM HAVING MANY SEASONS WHERE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN MVP CANDIDATE
Jeremy Roenick - will probably get in eventually I THINK HE MAKES IT IN PART ON THE BASIS OF HAVING A LOUD PERSONALITY
Keith Tkachuk - has a chance MAY MAKE IT AS A RELATIVE PIONEER OF USA HOCKEY EXCELLENCE (APPLIES TO ROENICK TOO)
Marian Hossa - should get in I THINK HE MAKES IT EASY
Jarome Iginla - very likely 1st ballot HOFer once retired AGREED
Pat Verbeek - pretty unlikely to get in imo PEAK YEARS IN HARTFORD IS NOT A WINNING COMBINATION FOR HHOF VOTES
Patrick Marleau - has a chance 100% LOCK GIVEN TEAM CANADA SUCCESS

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Also-I'm surprised the bolded matters. I know that there's more high profile international competition than any of the big 3 sports (only the NBA seems to have anything close in my eyes) but I can't see that being a benefit in any of those sports-like if somebody said that Clemens winning a gold medal when he was younger (I think he did when baseball was in the Olympics??), that'd be weird to me to be an argument to get in the baseball HOF. I guess it makes more sense to include it than not with all of the international tournaments in hockey, though

The hockey establishment takes international tournaments SUPER seriously. The 1972 Summit Series is a top 10 (5?) fundamental event in Canadian cultural history.

If ovechkin makes the hof they should burn it to the ground and replace it with a literal pile of ****

well as they always point out, it's the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame, so all that stuff matters. not that it matters all that much, with all the tournaments everyone usually has something to their name. but it can really bolster one's case.

It also gives them excuse to favor GOCBs.

fyp

Tkachuk should get in. Played mostly in the dead puck era and put up great numbers. Never really played full seasons, so it makes it look like he wasn't as good as he was.

I kind of hate that Dave Andreychuk is in the HHOF.. He might be the ultimate compiler. His top finish in the scoring race is 9th for points and 6th for goals. He only played in two all star games and was never selected to a post season all star team. He did play a lot of games (7th all time) and scored a lot of powerplay goals (1st all time).

Also +1 to Zubov being highly underrated and should be in the HHOF.

agree that Zubov deserves in. Sucks that the Pens traded him. I remember Lemieux and Zubov did not get along for some reason

Andreychuk probably doesn't get in without that TBL Cup at the end of his career. might not have deserved it anyway. yeah, about the ultimate compiler.


Tkachuk had a bit of Andreychuk-compiling in him as well. yeah he was hurt by the fact he always seemed good to miss 10-20 games per season. was never really considered great after age 25, just rolled along and picked up his stats. was a massive loser, only made it past the 1st round twice, only made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs once. his regular season vs playoff splits really sucked. he'll probably get in bc he's 'murrrican and something something World Cup of Hockey golden generation trashing hotel rooms.

is that bad?

lol theres no doubt in my mind they will choose alzner long term over markov short term

what a dumb franchise

Yakupov and Grigorenko both didnt get qualified. Still pretty young so if you can get them cheap there might be a low risk high reward chance.

I know nothing of Grigorenko but Yakupov is going to find out what it's really like to be a nail when he comes to negotiate with the 10' pole that will touch him.


Also is it me or has Markov overpriced himself by about $2M?

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$2M/yr obv

Lol wangzz

God, Detroit will probably **** up this year's offseason worse than last.

ya Holland seems like a complete disaster

someone inform Mr Pizza Jr

was kinda shocked to learn that Yak was good last year
(though maybe not so much, given that he did eyetest well a couple times)


2nd on the Blues in Corsi
2nd in Fenwick
2nd in shots for %
was a positive goals for % player
3rd in points per minute


seems worth a shot to a lot of teams for free, obv the more skill and C&D insulation the better

seems like he's still really good

i'd probably give him $4-5M + games played bonuses

Wow and the Blues still don't want him. Might want to grab a fat KHL contract while he has any leverage.


... and you are probably right on for Markov.

Yakupov should land somewhere. Teams that rolled 3 good lines and a not-totally-useless 4th line have been succeeding, so I would expect other teams to copy that. Yakupov seems like a good fit as a 3rd line winger who uses his speed against other teams' weaker lines, like Grabner in NY (another "bust" as an elite player, who has converted himself into a serviceable bottom 6 player).