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Originally Posted by aznbluff
I love how people are using Corsi as the end all be all now. Anything contradicting it is automatically dismissed by the "analytics" crowd. It is used as a proxy, an approximation. If you can't spot the exceptions to the rule then its critically flawed to use it in evaluation.
Weber has never had a good Corsi. But he's always been on a winning team. Always leading in minutes, the most important minutes. Its the same thing with Hall in reverse. He had good shot metrics but is a losing player. He will always be a losing player. Because his shots are of **** quality compared to what he gives up positionally to fire them in that loose, haphazard fashion.
This is ridiculous. First off, Weber hasn't always been on a winning team - Nashville finished 4th from the bottom in 2012-13, that's how they managed to draft Seth Jones.
Second, you don't even have to look at shot stats with Weber. We can just look at goal stats over the long term. Weber just doesn't do way better than his team in terms of goals scored/goals against. And he's getting worse in that regard. Among the 223 defensemen who played 3000 or more 5 on 5 minutes between 2008-09 and 2015-16, Weber ranks 70th in relative GF%. Now since this stat takes into account teammates, it is slightly penalizing him for playing on a good team. Subban ranks 14th.
Hall among forwards ranks 48th which makes sense because Edmonton was a tire fire apart from him.
This stat isn't fantastic for many reasons, but you don't believe in shot metrics, so it's the best I could do.
There's no more insipid idea in sports that some people are winners and some people are losers. I used to hold that belief myself, and I've just seen it proven wrong so many times.