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12-12-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
haha he even throws the ball into the stands at the end
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12-12-2018 , 04:20 PM
Nice to see someone make a giant post about DVOA, then immediately make a post showing it's mostly meaningless. I'm always astounded at how Cousins constantly gets defended where other QB's would get slammed hard around here for the exact same thing.
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12-12-2018 , 04:24 PM
Keeping Lamar Jackson is a mistake for this season terms for Balt, Flacco is better. They should've been a super bowl contender this year and it looks like they screwed that all up.
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12-12-2018 , 04:31 PM
I cant find the post that yours is mocking, someone must have deleted it
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12-12-2018 , 04:45 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carson-...165831367.html

Eagles thinking about benching Wentz for the year.

If they are smart they would trade him now, might still be able to get a second rounder for him.
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12-12-2018 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carson-...165831367.html



Eagles thinking about benching Wentz for the year.



If they are smart they would trade him now, might still be able to get a second rounder for him.


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12-12-2018 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT
While Keenum had the best DVOA last year, every other year he has basically had a -20% DVOA or worse making him one of the worst QBs in the league.
Solid to throw out his only full year.

I'm no big Keenum fan but the odds of Cousins leading a 13-3 team is about 1 in a billion. Cousins is essentially useless for any team looking to advance past mediocrity.
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12-12-2018 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
Keenum's mobility is underrated itt.
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Originally Posted by Namath12
True, he's on his 4th team since 2012 if that's not mobile I don't know what is
haha nice
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12-12-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nice to see someone make a giant post about DVOA, then immediately make a post showing it's mostly meaningless. I'm always astounded at how Cousins constantly gets defended where other QB's would get slammed hard around here for the exact same thing.
So QBR, ANY/A, points per game. What metric aside from win % (which is almost entirely due to defense improvements) and interception % does Smiff this season rank higher than Kirk last season? I'm not against bashing Kirk right now, he's been awful the past few games, but Smiff > Kirk is still a take that makes zero sense to me
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12-12-2018 , 06:30 PM
It has to be awful being a NFL DC right now, you've got KC running whatever the hell including the triple option, Chicago is running similar to KC plus various plays from cool ones that worked eons ago. (the fat guy TD goalline plays are from the 85 bears and they've shown the T formation a couple times this year) Oakland is running stuff from 15 years ago. Buffalo and Baltimore are throwing out running QB offenses. A **** load of different RPO's out of the same formation based on how the defense is lined up. The Browns ran what was it the wing T? at the goal line against the panthers just this week.


and I didn't mention jet sweeps, screens, read options and everything else and the kitchen sink could be run these days. No wonder some DC's are just f this and prep systems hoping they only give up like 24 or so.
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12-12-2018 , 06:32 PM
be a real shame for me personally if wentz were to miss time this year, but if it helps him get ready for next year's quest for the MVP title then i'm ok with it
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12-12-2018 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
So QBR, ANY/A, points per game. What metric aside from win % (which is almost entirely due to defense improvements) and interception % does Smiff this season rank higher than Kirk last season? I'm not against bashing Kirk right now, he's been awful the past few games, but Smiff > Kirk is still a take that makes zero sense to me
I don't have all-22 to show why but I'm pretty sure if I had the ability of such things all anyone has to do is ask any exec or GM or scout on Washington. Maybe it's just me but Kirk is the most frustrating QB in the league to watch by far. I don't know why you're acting like Kirk Cousins plays like that. Sam Bradford in 16 on the Vikes has about the same DVOA stats as Kirk this year.

The argument is irrelevant now anyway as Smiff's career is over.
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12-12-2018 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I'm always astounded at how Cousins constantly gets defended where other QB's would get slammed hard around here for the exact same thing.
yeah i dont get it, wentzgoat/wilson make 1 bad pass and ev1 is like wow these guys are DONE 2nd rounder in a trade AT BEST, meanwhile cousins - who has a much better O line than those two + top 1 receivers - is straight pathetic for multiple game stretches and ppl are like oh well jolly good effort kirk you'll get em next time

next time cousins manages to do something non-horrendous baz will be back here all like SEE TOLD U
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12-12-2018 , 06:55 PM
If there is any way to bet on tomorrow night being a crazy nailbiter - do it. AFC West showdown at night is crazy about 9 out of 10 times. I wish there was something like a game volatility index you could bet on.

Tyreek and Eric Berry(!) are playing. They're gonna switch protocol and announce the defense so he can get the big cheer. Will he be productive? Probably not. But screw that I say he gets 7 tackles, one huge stop, 2 batted balls and an INT to seal the game. Book it. https://youtu.be/bPOClZbHQG4?t=10

Of course my work is having their damn Christmas party tomorrow night. It doesn't start until 7:30 PT, so I'm gonna watch the first two hours at a bar somewhere. Then I will be sneaking to any TV I can find.

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12-12-2018 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
yeah i dont get it, wentzgoat/wilson make 1 bad pass and ev1 is like wow these guys are DONE 2nd rounder in a trade AT BEST, meanwhile cousins - who has a much better O line than those two + top 1 receivers - is straight pathetic for multiple game stretches and ppl are like oh well jolly good effort kirk you'll get em next time

next time cousins manages to do something non-horrendous baz will be back here all like SEE TOLD U
Vikings woat oline is TO BLAME per Vikes fan.
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12-12-2018 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
yeah i dont get it, wentzgoat/wilson make 1 bad pass and ev1 is like wow these guys are DONE 2nd rounder in a trade AT BEST, meanwhile cousins - who has a much better O line than those two + top 1 receivers - is straight pathetic for multiple game stretches and ppl are like oh well jolly good effort kirk you'll get em next time

next time cousins manages to do something non-horrendous baz will be back here all like SEE TOLD U
people suggesting that wentz or wilson are done are stupid

just as stupid as people suggesting alex smith on the redskins was better than cousins

kirks been solidly above average which is what he is. yeah he lost primetime games at chicago and at seattle recently. much wow
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12-12-2018 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I don't have all-22 to show why but I'm pretty sure if I had the ability of such things all anyone has to do is ask any exec or GM or scout on Washington. Maybe it's just me but Kirk is the most frustrating QB in the league to watch by far. I don't know why you're acting like Kirk Cousins plays like that. Sam Bradford in 16 on the Vikes has about the same DVOA stats as Kirk this year.

The argument is irrelevant now anyway as Smiff's career is over.
Yes the much renowned Washington GM.

You were the one to bring up that Smiff was better with Washington?
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
yeah i dont get it, wentzgoat/wilson make 1 bad pass and ev1 is like wow these guys are DONE 2nd rounder in a trade AT BEST, meanwhile cousins - who has a much better O line than those two + top 1 receivers - is straight pathetic for multiple game stretches and ppl are like oh well jolly good effort kirk you'll get em next time

next time cousins manages to do something non-horrendous baz will be back here all like SEE TOLD U
LMAO
Are you still sorting by adjusted sack rate and literally no other metric?

They give up the most pressures in the league by far, much better o-line tho.
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12-12-2018 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BillNye
Can you explain this chart? I’m a lifelong football fan but I guess my stat knowledge is past the shelf life.
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12-12-2018 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
Can you explain this chart? I’m a lifelong football fan but I guess my stat knowledge is past the shelf life.
sample epa explanation:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8...-points-metric


success rate i believe is like how likely the team is to get:

50% of necessary yards on 1st down
70% on 2nd
all necessary yards on 3rd and 4th.

might be off on that.

regardless im not sure it is the best at determing oline strength because i think its safe to say the steelers have at least a top 3 offensive line and potentially the best.. and this matrix has them as decidedly average.
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12-12-2018 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
True, he's on his 4th team since 2012 if that's not mobile I don't know what is


LOLOLOL wp
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12-12-2018 , 11:02 PM
This talk about keenum>cousins or even smiff is funny. Others have posted enough numbers but watching both many times over it's clear as day. Keenum is a pretty bad NFL qb, a borderline backup. Cousins while not in the top tier by any means Is and has been a solid starter for quite a while.

He does not deserve even close to his contract but well, the NFL is dumb in that regard. Billnye is right that the running game has not helped them and been downright awful this year, any explanations for that besides lol kirk?
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12-12-2018 , 11:31 PM
Why does cousins suck so bad against any non **** team though? It’s embarrassing to be as bad as he is against plus 500 teams considering the money he gets paid.
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12-12-2018 , 11:54 PM
Maybe he can ask Stafford next week
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12-13-2018 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Solid to throw out his only full year.

I'm no big Keenum fan but the odds of Cousins leading a 13-3 team is about 1 in a billion. Cousins is essentially useless for any team looking to advance past mediocrity.
So this year that is basically over is not big enough to count? He's 26 out of 32 against QBs with a minimum of 200 passes.


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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nice to see someone make a giant post about DVOA, then immediately make a post showing it's mostly meaningless. I'm always astounded at how Cousins constantly gets defended where other QB's would get slammed hard around here for the exact same thing.
I think the point is that Cousins is obviously better than Keenum from what we've seen from both of them. Cousins is pretty much an average QB. Seems like the perfect starter for a team with an elite defense.
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12-13-2018 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
You guys won't be laughing when he gets a new OC and an o-line that's not a turnstile.

This was my thought.

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http://pfref.com/tiny/I6zij

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The team that played in the NFC championship last year and only had one key change player wise from keenum to Cousins last season is 6-6-1.

Case Keenum is 6-7 on a team that finished 5-11 last year.
Vikings are playing worse than last year. OL and entire defense are worse.
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