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10-22-2018 , 03:41 PM
At least this year, it looks like Cooper has produced well when he gets targets, otherwise he doesn't
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10-22-2018 , 03:52 PM
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I remain skeptical of Gruden and was skeptical of the leaks about shopping Cooper but getting a first is a good result.

I mean, you can just draft a receiver with that pick and he stands a reasonable chance to have a higher ceiling than Cooper + you get him on four years of a rookie contract instead of ten weeks
Cooper was the 4th pick in the draft and had the highest upside of everyone at WR in every draft since. (only mike thomas has outperformed him but there hasn't been one WR drafted since that was thought to have a higher upside)

The last time dal traded for a WR they gave up a first and three other picks for Roy Williams, this is a lot better than that one. Cooper is fine and is an upgrade for them. I would've easily given up a 2nd so it's only a slight overpay. Meh, teams are in win now and a lot of rookie WR's picked in round 1 have been straight up trash. (ross (picked ahead of mahomes lmaoooo), coleman, davis, treadwell, doctson has done nothing,etc etc etc).

Last edited by wheatrich; 10-22-2018 at 04:01 PM.
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10-22-2018 , 03:54 PM
Wow...a first round pick is amazing
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10-22-2018 , 04:03 PM
But you get to pay rookies underpriced contracts if you hit. Cooper isn’t a bad trade but I’m wondering why they didn’t look at DT or sanders, or cheaper ones on other teams. Seems like dak needs a reliable possession receiver. First round pick just seems like a huge overpay for a non qb or hof talent at a key position. I guess cooper maybe a future hofer but the last two years have been meh.
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10-22-2018 , 04:09 PM
Teams don't hit at WR a lot--then you're stuck with them and forced to play them since you drafted them high.

If the argument that they could've better allocated resources that's definitely fair, but Cooper is still definitively better than resigning dez or trading for kelvin benjamin (lol), or devante parker. I don't know that any of the others were actually available and cowboys may have wanted that for sure extra year.
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10-22-2018 , 04:12 PM
Didn't realize cooper was thought of *that* poorly in NFL circles/around here.



lol cowboys
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10-22-2018 , 04:16 PM
amari cooper has consecutive bye weeks.
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10-22-2018 , 04:18 PM


I seem to remember him having one big game against the Chiefs and then being non-existent the rest of the time.
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10-22-2018 , 04:20 PM
The Grudens bros are double dicking the boys lmao
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10-22-2018 , 04:21 PM
forgot jerruh also traded two firsts for joey galloway.

okay based on jerruhs track record he traded for corey coleman.
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10-22-2018 , 04:22 PM
Cooper is terrible. Cowboys got robbed
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10-22-2018 , 04:29 PM
Overpaying for players with 0 future surplus-value contract years is bad. Doing it without a contract agreement in place is terrible.

Raiders currently picking 4th, 9th, and 15th next season. Wouldn't be surprised if Carr is moved this offseason.
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10-22-2018 , 04:29 PM
Is he never open or Carr just loves ignoring him? Carr has become like his brother pretty quickly.
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10-22-2018 , 04:32 PM
Like Gordon was traded for a 5th round pick. Why didn't Jerry offer a 4th? He's taken enough headcases over the years. If they truly needed a WR, seems like Josh would have been much better option than Cooper. Is Josh too much like Dez?
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10-22-2018 , 04:36 PM
I'll take it
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10-22-2018 , 04:42 PM
https://theathletic.com/605668/2018/...ready-written/

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Chandler Catanzaro made the kick. The camera showed Mayfield on the sideline with his mouth open in shock. I think that might have been the first time he realized that he really is the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.
Lol Posnanski is so good.
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10-22-2018 , 04:44 PM
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Cooper was the 4th pick in the draft and had the highest upside of everyone at WR in every draft since. (only mike thomas has outperformed him but there hasn't been one WR drafted since that was thought to have a higher upside)
Really? I don't know about that. I never thought of him having high upside. He's a meh athlete who had his struggles with drops, and while he's a great route-runner and someone I'd expect to be reasonably productive, the fact that he took a step back in his third year rather than forward is telling, as is the fact that even his "great" seasons were basically 1000/6 type years. He actually seemed like a high floor player, not a high ceiling one. (I mean, Dorial Green-Beckham had higher upside from that draft.)

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Teams don't hit at WR a lot--then you're stuck with them and forced to play them since you drafted them high.

If the argument that they could've better allocated resources that's definitely fair, but Cooper is still definitively better than resigning dez or trading for kelvin benjamin (lol), or devante parker. I don't know that any of the others were actually available and cowboys may have wanted that for sure extra year.
Yes, Cooper is better than Kelvin Benjamin or Devante Parker. Neither of those players would have cost a first-round pick. Of course it's about resources-- I'd rather draft N'Keal Harry or A.J. Brown or J.J. Arcega-Whiteside next year and have them for four years of a rookie deal, then have Cooper for half a season then have to pay his full fifth-year option price.

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Is he never open or Carr just loves ignoring him? Carr has become like his brother pretty quickly.
Lotta people rushed to crown Carr a perennial MVP candidate after two seasons where he ran hot on TDs and one where the Raiders ran hot on close games. Carr has a cannon arm but he's got way too much Checkdown Charlie in him.
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10-22-2018 , 05:11 PM
If the raiders can get the jags first for carr lol nfl. and lol jags for just assuming blake bortles wasn't gonna be blake bortles in a win now year.
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10-22-2018 , 05:11 PM
That's a deal I can't blame the Raiders for making.

I wonder how badly they're going to **** up those draft picks.
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10-22-2018 , 05:23 PM
As a Cowboys fan I'm not sure what was accomplished here that could not have been accomplished by keeping Dez, spending a 5th on Gordon, and a 2nd on Earl Thomas.

Like woah.
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10-22-2018 , 05:24 PM
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If the raiders can get the jags first for carr lol nfl. and lol jags for just assuming blake bortles wasn't gonna be blake bortles in a win now year.
Giants need to make the Saquon pick come full circle by passing on a rookie top 5 QB again. "Can't afford to waste Odell/Saquon primes with a rookie.. get me Carr." Would be amazing (for Oakland).
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10-22-2018 , 05:27 PM
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Amari Cooper being shipped to Dallas, Gruden tearing down the whole team
Gruden with more highway robbery.

Mack and Cooper for three firsts is soooooo good
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10-22-2018 , 05:40 PM
I can't tell if Gruden is a clueless, out of touch, still thinks its 1998 guy who wants to swing his dick around or if he's running circles around other organizations trading assets that are about to cost a lot of money for 1st round picks that are not.
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10-22-2018 , 05:58 PM
Gruden is a terrible coach but he has made smart trades on behalf of his interests and the team's.
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10-22-2018 , 06:06 PM
I know the Cowboys receivers are ass, but not sure how much difference Cooper will make if Dak still isn’t ever attempting a 20+ yard pass downfield.
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