Not much on your side then?

This is ridiculous, going 2-30 is a good thing. They're not trying to win. Would Browns fans be happier if they went 10-22 these past 2 years? It's not like they haven't taken steps, their D looks good and is very young. Duke Johnson, Coleman (when healthy), & Njoku look like solid young guys who can contribute on offense. They were never gonna win without an upper tier QB, and this offseason they will have the maximum amount of options. They have a ****load of capspace and can throw money at Jimmy G or they can draft Darnold. This has all been apart of the plan. They're not trying to go 8-8, they're trying to build a system most likely to be perennial contenders, and they're definitely closer to that than they were at the start of last year, even if it doesn't reflect it on the scoreboard or in the standings.

There's an unlosable argument in geekdom if you keep saying well 'yeah they suck and they have a million picks and will pick first next year' because you can keep pretending that the greatest player of all time is gonna go 1 next year and they can sign all those quality FAs. But the space and the picks are no good if you can't pick good players and if you pass on good ones at important positions and no quality FAs will sign with the team for a couple of years.

Let's stop the Level 1 thinking please.

The key is not to match Rodgers, the key is to get the best talent out there. And that talent is not on the Packers depth chart. GB is one hard hit away from putting in a guy that's NEVER played in the NFL (not even pre-season) and didn't go to a D1 school. There has to be other trade/free agent offers that put them in a better position to make something of their 4-2 start.

Whichever QB they get is gonna be dead in 3 weeks anyways. Can't believe GODGERS lasted this long tbh.

Packers can get in on a 2 for 1 special. Keenum and Bradford to save their 4-2 start. We'll take dead Rodgers.

Nah it'll be another 10 years or so before Rodgers plays for the Vikes

There has to be someone out there that is viable. I don't know why, but my gut keeps telling me Jacoby Brissett (or someone like him) can end up in GB. I know that sounds a little out there but I don't see GB doing nothing.

tony romo!

Hundley is "someone like Jacoby Brissett". He also has 3 years of experience with the verbiage, system, players, etc.

I guess if Packers really wanna try to salvage the season (not that it'd work) they can try and go get Eli but I don't see it happening.

I don't think Jeff Garcia has officially retired yet

Hundley takes a hard hit and is out of the game - then what? An addition still needs to be made; might as well add to the top, not the bottom.

This is beyond ridiculous. There is no one available that is going to give them any super bowl equity. Even if they got Brees who is like the 3rd best QB in the league they would have pretty limited SB equity given the rest of their roster. Rodgers will be back next year so giving up anything in order to get a QB that might let them limp into the playoffs and get a worse draft pick is completely ******ed.

Eli Manning or Mike Glennon could be available. Neither would make them a top 12 team. Kaep would be a good backup to Hundley and good to get working with the team right away to potentially play down the road but he's seemingly not allowed to play in the NFL.

I like both Manning and Kapernick in those spots. Both bring their own issues in making that happen, of course.

lol at this and how hard you're going.

Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl (against Kaep!). Eli won Super Bowls. Matt Ryan was up 28-3 in the Super Bowl. The 9-7 Cardinals went to the SB in 2008, a season in which this happened.

It's not that crazy to go ~10-6 and luckbox a SB. It's actually happened three times in the last 10 years. Acquiring Kaep costs GB nothing in terms of assets they'd have to give up.

If your argument is that they're finishing 6-10 regardless of whether they sign Kaep or not, what is even the downside here that has you so fired up?

The Green Bay roster isn't good and their coach is an idiot. They're done.

The Browns management should be fired for not taking Deshaun Watson with the #1 overall pick and they should be drawn and quartered for not taking him with the 12th pick and instead trading the pick to the Texans.

Watson was 21 years old and graduated in 3 years with 3 years of starting experience going 28-2 I think over his final two seasons and two trips to the national title game. Against Bama's #1 ranked defense in those two title games he put up 825 yards passing with 7 TD's and 116 rush yards and a rush TD and 75 points in a 45-40 loss and 35-31 win which came on a last second TD drive. Didn't prove he's got what it takes though. Idiots.

Browns moves to acquire picks have generally been good. Some of their talent evaluations have not. (Even if they didn't take Watson at 12, rumor is Hue Jackson wanted Malik Hooker; Hooker was an elite FS prospect aside from injury possibilities, and he's already shown glimpses of the ridiculous range that made him so.) Some of their coaching schematics do not seem to make the best use of the talent on the field. Hue doesn't seem to be helping his QBs much and Gregg Williams is just doing absolute nonsense on the defensive side of the ball.

I honestly don't hate the Browns passing on Watson with one caveat: If they're gonna keep stockpiling picks, they gotta draft QBs basically every year until they hit on one. I thought Kizer had a chance but he is very far away. But then that's sort of a general principle about drafting and not my own personal evaluation of Watson, whom I rated as a top-ten pick.

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Regarding the Packers, Kaepernick would be a better option than Hundley, but I actually like Hundley and had a first-round grade on him in 2015. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to do the same thing he did at UCLA, run for his life behind a terrible offensive line and attempt to create with very little talent around him.

I'm looking for a favorable bet. I think I can do better than "even money" elsewhere, so I'm gonna look elsewhere.

Fun trivia time: As BillNye pointed out to me, Dalvin Cook is on pace to finish with more rushing yards than Christian McCaffrey, despite the fact that Cook won't play again this year. Cook finished with 354 rushing yards; McCaffrey is on pace for 277 yards. (As well as 99 catches for 781 yards, but that's another topic.)

With Cook's 90 receiving yards added, he totaled 444 yards in four games, putting him over the 100 yards-from-scrimmage-per-game mark for the year.

Six other running backs are currently averaging more than 100 yards from scrimmage per game this year. Can you name them all? I bet most of you can get five, but the sixth is a doozy.

I'm guessing that the doozy is Chris Thompson. I have him in fantasy, and he's been really good.

what are you doing, put that **** in spoilers

No it's not that crazy to go 10-6 and win a Superbowl. It's crazy to go 10-6 with this roster, which got even more banged up in the Vikings game, without Rodgers. Bulaga, Bakhtiari and Taylor all got hurt so the OL is again a complete mess, the banged up secondary was already garbage before the injuries.

I wouldn't mind signing Kaep to kick the tires and have him as a backup to Hundley but NLSoldier is 100% right, the season is over.

So close.