one reason is that good QB's aren't ever ever ever on the street waiting for somebody to call them, like Dion Lewis was.

I think I was pretty clear that Rex Burkhead was not Kamara

oh you don't think so


I don't have an anti-RB bias. I just know what NFL teams pay them, and know how much easier it is to find a credible RB to step in and play than say a RT.


I think you're gonna need to show your work here. the average LT makes 3x what a RB makes, so finding a good player at that position is worth a ton more than at RB. yeah a rookie RB is more likely to be able to step in at near his peak than a LT, but the same is true for veteran RBs who can step in and integrate pretty easily. and veteran RB's come very cheap.

Defending sashi is so absurd. Tribalism at it's worst I spose. Do everything wrong, be completely lazy and clueless, and still have people defending you. Must be nice.

Mike Mitchell is awesome!

lol, didn't bother quoting the rest but lol at all that as well

Kamara haters some of the most lol people ever.

Ugghh, please don't say that, even if it's true. If you-know-who starts AIDSing up this thread again with his incessant posting about you-know-who-else, well you're gonna be responsible.

Browns hire Dorsey

that was fast. Well he's a retread but a retread that lost a power struggle in KC so at least they hired the best retread available.

Still an obvious upgrade over Sashi Brown so there's that at least.

Kamara confirmed extremely durable.

I asked this in the TNF thread and it didn't generate as much discussion as I'd hoped.

Matthews has been below expectation actually.

Unless you're an elite player at LT, you're not getting mentioned. Just how it goes.

Also at the very least the Center and the Right Tackle on his own OL are better than he is.

Lol aints

When do the arguments about Kamara being a full time rb start.

Lamar Jackson has to stop relying on his legs, if he keeps doing that we'll move him to a position he's never played before that forces him to rely on his legs.

LOL that dude is like 150 lbs soaking wet and wearing boots. Zero chance he lasts through a 16 game season at any position.

Lamar should get a real redshirt year like Vick got. Gonna be a 21 year old rookie. Probably won't have your typical QBs shelf life which is more reason to let him learn / bulk up as a backup before throwing him out there. If he forces his team to correctly allocate resources on solid backup QB play like ATL did w/ Schaub, well all teams should be trying to do that anyways.

LOL at focusing on quality back ups in a league that doesn't even have 32 legitimate starters.

Look at what Pats have tried to do over the years w/ Mallet, Jimmy G, Brissett selections. ATL did w/ Schaub. Skins did w/ Cousins which I praised on this forum through a midst of LOLs. Costs you 1 2nd or 3rd rounder every 2-4 years. A lot of the time you get a chance to recoup the cost (Schaub, Jimmy, Brissett, dumpy Bama Cincy QB, etc).

Only the pats and a few outliers actually have gotten away with that. Everybody else it's mostly been torching a draft pick for no reason.

Even DAKGOAT has not been good at all lately.

Mallett ended up being traded for a conditional 6th, he was picked in the 3rd round.

This list counts 5th rounders since I wanted to put Peterman in here but you get the point.

2016, Hackenberg (a kicker was a total bust in the same round and has still provided more value than hack has so far but well everyone here knew he was awful so moving on), Cody Kessler (browns'd), dakgoat, connor cook (only thing he did was start that playoff game and well that didn't go well), Kevin Hogan (didn't make KC's roster, is in Browns purgatory), Cardale Jones (traded away)

Jacoby Brissett was in the third round here, but I'm darn sure the guy he traded for was gonna get cut (the colts 1st round bust of a WR) I think he was as well. Trade has certainly worked for Indy so far.

2017 Davis Webb, a third stringer, Deshone Kizer, starting but bad in Cle so far, CJ Beathard (already lost job to Garopollo), Joshua Dobbs (who?, PIT), Nathan Peterman (oh boy),

2015 had Garrett Grayson, a bust. He's on a practice squad atm. Sean Mannion, who is just awful. Bryce Petty (lol), Brett Hundley (gets a lot of hate, but packers offense is about the same as with rodgers statistically) (and trevor siemian who is terrible in the 7th, but that was an elway YOLO)

Yes, the hits are good and all but I've never been a fan, too many just worthless players.

It's not just these years, it's a trend, QB is basically first round or not at all for the most part.

2014 draft
even AJ McCarron, the guy picked before him was a QB, and is already out of the league (aaron murray), the QB picked above that guy is a TE now, who's already chasing down philip rivers in kids with one chick.
(the other two are Carr and Garoppolo so those are hits but they were round 2 picks *shrugs*, and we're not sure the pats just didn't fleece the lol 9ers yet)

2013 had a bucket in the 4th round Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson (lol), Ryan Nassib (lol), Matt Barkley (lol), Mike Glennon (BEARS ARE SUCKERS), Geno Smith (well fwiw he's the best QB in his class and it's not close lol), with a bonus EJ Manuel (hey he's still in the league!)

I'm not gonna go back any further (yeah wilson is there in 11) but we lol @ QB hit rate in round 1 only being about 50/50, it's much worse after that.

It doesn't matter if 90% of the QB darts you throw miss when not having a quality QB means you effectively have 0 super bowl equity.

The best case scenario when you draft a non QB with these picks instead of "torching" them on longshot QBs is what? A player that increases your super bowl equity by like 1%?

A 10% chance at a guy who moves the spread 5 points is >>> an 80% chance at a guy who moves the spread a half point.

If I was a GM I'd spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB every single year until I had 2 that I thought gave me super bowl equity. And obv spend firsts in the right situation/right prospect.

Problem with your plan is owners aren't very patient and are extremely results oriented. So even if your plan was very +EV long term, in the short term it's an absolute disaster for you and your team in most cases. Teams typically aren't very long term focused; you can see it based on most of their decisions because there is an overlord who's willing to get rid of you after every bad season or even worse, every bad game or run of games.

Yeah, definitely not even thinking about going down that path unless I'm a family member of the owner or a HOF NFL coach.

Yeah the whole notion is LOL because I doubt most owners would allow you to blow the pick on a player who's not likely to ever see the field for you, not to mention the rest of your roster would suffer for it.

BB going 36-43 is a lot different than Hue going 1-27. BB also has the best record of any Browns coach in the last 20 years. BB worst record is tied for the 5th best recrod the Browns have had in 20 years.

Hue Jackson is just not a good HC, even with a bad QB, a decent HC should win a few games a year.

The fact that Hue Jackson won the power struggle in Cleveland is typical lol Browns.