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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Having to keep a back up or replacement level player on your roster is a far cry from needing someone who is capable of playing half your snaps (essentially a second starter).
Now in the Saints case when you pick up one of those players relatively late in the draft it might not matter for a year or two as the young player is cheap, but once he's in a position to get paid it won't make sense to roster two capable RBs.
I agree with Wheatrich, if the dude can't play full time he's not worth a top 10 (or prob. even first round) pick.
And like wheatrich, you're conflating "doesn't" with "can't".
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
RBs never just fall off a cliff or get injured in a manner from which they can never fully recover? There have been plenty of one year wonders at the position. It's also one of the easiest positions to replace and unless you are GUARANTEED multiple years of Kamara's current production (which you never are) I don't see how one justifies using an early pick, barring unusual circumstances.
That could happen to literally any position. Running backs aren't unique.
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
bc this is the confusing part. Kamara is mega elite and good enough to be the every down back, but Mark Ingram is also too good for him to get ahead of? it's not like he's sitting behind 2001 Marshall Faulk here.
"Ahead of"? Again, you obviously don't know how the Saints' offense works. And
no running back is going to get 35 touches a game, which is what Ingram and Kamara have been combining for since AP was traded. If "35 touches a game" is the metric which you demand a RB meet or he's fungible, well, lol and good luck finding one.
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Originally Posted by ashley12
Out of curiosity
Has anyone got a stat for which teams have the highest % of RB touches from their top two RBs?
I would have to guess that Ingram and Kamara would have to be right up there as a pairing. Have they even had someone on the field that isn't a blocker/FB aside from Lasco since ADP was traded?
RE, that specific example, its usually pretty dumb since I don't think any RB outside of McCoy/Zeke/Bell would be playing more than 85% of snaps anyway. And most of those teams still have a second RB that doesn't/rarely plays special teams as well.
Trey Edmunds took some carries in garbage time of the Buffalo game but I think it's 100% been Ingram/Kamara in the backfield otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
James White was a 4th round draft pick
Rex Burkhead signed a $3m one year contract
and any team in the NFL could have had Dion Lewis for the minimum
those are 3 reasons why assigning top value to Kamara is not right. you can say Kamara is a cut above all those guys, but those 3 were available for essentially nothing. Kamara's gotta be in a different universe for him to be worth a high first round pick - and until he can prove he can be a true every down guy, he isn't.
(you can say - he could be! - but that and $3 will get you a cup of coffee)
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
I love how quickly the same forum which decries concepts like "casual fans" immediately jumps on the bandwagon of every flash in the pan that comes along.
And I love how people make generic arguments instead of actually looking at the specific player they're supposedly evaluating. "Well, uh, I believe X Y and Z about running backs so there's no such thing as a good one."
You know what this entire discussion reminds me of? It reminds me of posting poker hands on 2p2 in the olden days, and getting a bunch of responses that were essentially "in generic situation X I would do Y," ignoring the actual specific situation and player we were dealing with.
Again, I feel like most of the Kamara critics haven't even watched him or done their in-depth research, they just looked at one or two numbers or are so anti-RB they've already jumped to conclusions.
Onto other topics:
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Hue can't coach a successful team because the GM has given him absolute trash to work with?
The Browns have acquired a lot of young talent, particularly on defense. Hue has handled DeShone Kizer badly and made a number of other baffling in-game decisions (remember that read option on third-and-11 last week? And then punting from inside the opponents' 40?). He also hired human trash can Gregg Williams as DC, who now that he's not allowed to kill offensive players looks like garbage because his entire strategy is "blitz and play safeties 40 yards off the ball."
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Steelers didn't get Munchak to coach the o-line until Bell's second season, IIRC. He's made a world of difference to that offense.
Bell also lost a lot of weight from season one to two, and his increased quickness has made a substantial difference in his game.
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Originally Posted by rafiki
As an NFL GM, what's the highest you'd draft Courtland Sutton right now? Think the Colts will reach that high for him?
Not totally sure how to imbed tweets: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/sta...226496/video/1
Anyway I figure he's gotta go closer to 20's, but wonder if Colts go for it.
I dunno where he'll go as I have no idea how teams rate this year's receivers. I expect Sutton, James Washington, Calvin Ridley, and Christian Kirk to be first-rounders, at least, but that's as far as I've gotten.