Lattimore 5? Who were the four ahead of him?

Did they do something like still give Trubisky to Chicago because "They would still take their QB"?

Yeah, they both went with a "reasonably happy with how it worked out" take.

So:

BARNWELL
1 - Watson (Browns)
2 - Garrett (49ers)
3 - Trubisky (Bears)
4 - Fournette (Jags)
5 - Lattimore (Titans)
6 - Adams (Jets)
7 - Kamara (Chargers)
8 - McCaffrey (Panthers)
9 - Ramczyk (Bengals)
10 - White (Bills)

BRINSON
1 - Watson (Browns)
2 - Garrett (49ers)
3 - Trubisky (Bears)
4 - Fournette (Jags)
5 - Lattimore (Titans)
6 - Adams (Jets)
7 - Kamara (Chargers)
8 - Ramczyk (Panthers)
9 - Allen (Bengals)
10 - White (Bills)

Max Kellerman, finger pulser:

This is pretty much SE groupthink, right? Brady can't make those sexy throws so a guy who can is clearly better? BAIDS is already LOL'ing me.

Pats are #1 in pts/drive, yards/drive, success rate, turnovers/drive, plays/drive. Brady is #1 in yards, completions, int rate, Y/A, AY/A, QB rating. Brady will win MVP.

Barnwells list - No point in doing a redraft this early if you're going to keep half of these guys in the same slot on the basis of a 'it hasn't been a total disaster so far.'

I'm overruling this and the bears are picking lattimore over trubisky. I wish I could've done that months ago...

Kamara still way way way too high, he's still splitting snaps with Ingram.

That said McCaffrey's there too so lol the entire draft and the redraft.

Wait how is Solomon Thomas no longer in the top 10? He's super young and has been pretty much exactly what was expected.

Fournette still at #4 is hilariously awful, as much as I like watching him. Kamara or Lattimore would be better. (I guess Lattimore would be redundant but how do you pass on a player that good?)

So what? He has 990 yards from scrimmage and 9 TDs in the eight games since Peterson was traded.

McCaffrey still has over 500 yards receiving, 5th among all rookies. Idk why people are acting like he's terrible when they just haven't used him much as an inside runner.

(cont)

BARNWELL
11 - Thomas (Saints)
12 - Engram (Browns)
13 - Mahomes (Cards)
14 - Jackson (Eagles)
15 - Hooker (Colts)
16 - Smith-Schuster (Ravens)
17 - Hunt (Redskins)
18 - ??? (Titans - maybe Corey Davis, but didn't say)
19 - Lawson (Bucs)
20 - Robinson (Broncos)
21 - Wise (Lions)
22 - Griffin (Dolphins)
23 - Cook (Giants)
24 - Foster (Raiders)
25 - Wormley (Texans)
26 - Elflein (Seahawks)
27 - Mike Williams (Chiefs)
28 - Maye (Cowboys)
29 - Watt (Packers)
30 - Allen (Steelers)
31 - Barnett (Falcons)
32 - Reddick (Patriots)


BRINSON
11 - Foster (Saints)
12 - Thomas (Browns)
13 - Smith-Schuster (Cards)
14 - Barnett (Eagles)
15 - Howard (Colts)
16 - Engram (Ravens)
17 - Watt (Redskins)
18 - Corey Davis (Titans)
19 - Hunt (Bucs)
20 - Mahomes (Broncos)
21 - Jarrad Davis (Lions)
22 - McCaffery (Dolphins)
23 - Njoku (Giants)
24 - Griffin (Raiders)
25 - Robinson (Texans)
26 - Hooker (Seahawks)
27 - Mixon (Chiefs)
28 - Lawson (Cowboys)
29 - Josh Jones (Packers)
30 - Kupp (Steelers)
31 - Reddick (Falcons)
32 - Cook (Saints - unlike Barnwell he included Cooks trade)

I agree 100% but often these things go to QB on team with best record, so we'll see in the end. There's enough butthurt writers over deflategate and patriots that Wentz still has a shot.

Dunno. Maybe they aren't that impressed with 29 tackles & 2 sacks? They both talked him up, including Brinson saying he had him slightly ahead of Garrett coming into the draft.

I guess the theory is they're 8-4 & the power run game is a big part of the new culture blah blah blah.

I think McCaffrey should lose value in a redraft because you find out there are other random rookies who can basically replicate what he does, but he had more value in a real draft because it's hard to know who those backs were in advance. He's obviously been fine, though.

Until a RB plays most of the snaps and not just half of them for a team; to me the value over replacement simply isn't there to justify a top 10 selection.

Aren't 9ers DE's more of end holders than pass rushers so stats would normally be a fair bit lower?

I'd rather a timeshare running back averaging seven yards a carry than a bellcow averaging twice as many carries for half as many yards per carry.

I'm not sure how anyone could watch Kamara and conclude he doesn't have substantial "value over replacement."

I don't recognize some of these guys just from last names.

Not sure. I can tell you that some 31 y/o 300 pound end named Douzable has put up 17/2 in 5 games. I don't have a personal opinion on Thomas that matters.

Because you have to roster someone else to make up for the snaps he can't/won't/doesn't play.

Ok, but I'm totally getting back to work after this...haha

Again: So what? What team doesn't carry more than one running back? Getting a guy who can do everything Kamara does would more than make up for even having a replacement-level back take the rest of the snaps. (And frankly, I'm not ready to concede that Kamara can't be a full-time back; just that he isn't now.)

If Kamara kept his post-AP pace for a full season he'd have 1,980 yards from scrimmage and 18 TDs. Would he still not be worth it because he's "not full time"? Some of y'all's inability to understand adding value on a per-play basis is really something.

BTW, Leonard Fournette, the back who went ahead of him, only plays about 60% of Jacksonville's snaps.

kamara is 100x the player mccaffery is. mccaffery is a poor mans danny woodhead who hasnt been hurt yet.

any slight on kamara is wrong atm

Ingram is at 5.1, Kamara is at 7.0. Making an assumption that Ingram gets a lot more carries in between the tackles; Kamara's YPC would have to be at least a yard higher unless he sucked.

This is where a lot of film/context is needed or sorted out yards/distance vs avg NFL run from there and all that work that literally nobody actually does. I don't either so I'll just leave it.

It's obviously more valuable to have a guy a bit less talented who plays the entire game rather than half of it.

I also said top 10 pick worthy of value over replacement. That's a different number than simply having any.

Naturally, the Saints ended up picking Kamara with a pick that was originally the Bears trading it up for ****ing Mitch Trubisky.

At some point I'm gonna realize how stupid it is to root for a dumb organization simply because I grew up watching them on TV but until then...

Speaking of RB's, Barkley is a bust right? #1 in the draft talk is just mind blowing absurdity.

Right, you aren't doing the work, that's my point. The Saints have a great offensive line and that certainly helps. But you're also not paying attention at all to Kamara's phenomenal ability to break tackles or his value in the passing game, just to name two examples. You're just looking at two or three numbers and saying "This guy isn't that good."

Apparently Barkley is ridiculously strong, runs a 4.4 40, & was very productive in college. He seems like he'll be just fine.

A lot of people think he might be the best RB prospect since AP.

But yeah, #1 still seems silly.

Mcaffrey has caught 64 balls on 90 targets for 501 yards. If the 26 incompletions simply never occurred and he was 64/64 for 501 yards his 7.8 YPT would still be worse than Kamaras 8.3 YPT. As is McCaffreys 501 on 90 passing attempts represents a 5.6 YPA for Cam when throwing to him.

Panthers spent the 8th overall pick on this guy to handcraft an inefficient role for him. He can be a good NFL player and a garbage 8th overall pick at the same time.

I definitely think some of the factor here is Carolina's offensive coaching being not nearly as creative or sharp as New Orleans'. If you flipped the two players, you might not get 1:1 production, but I think you'd be surprised at how well McCaffrey would be doing.

That said, Kamara > McCaffrey, although the latter was an easier evaluation considering he had a huge workload in college, and Butch Jones was so dumb he couldn't even figure out Kamara should be a starter.

No doubt. But if you spend the 8th overall pick on that receiving back/utility type of role player you better get some good production out of him. This wasn't just LOL 1st round RB. This was 8th overall pick on a position we typically see occupied by 3rd round to undrafted players that are paid peanuts compared to McCaff. Woodhead - undrafted. Chris Thompson 5th round. Etc.