Out of curiosity

Has anyone got a stat for which teams have the highest % of RB touches from their top two RBs?

I would have to guess that Ingram and Kamara would have to be right up there as a pairing. Have they even had someone on the field that isn't a blocker/FB aside from Lasco since ADP was traded?

RE, that specific example, its usually pretty dumb since I don't think any RB outside of McCoy/Zeke/Bell would be playing more than 85% of snaps anyway. And most of those teams still have a second RB that doesn't/rarely plays special teams as well.

Having to keep a back up or replacement level player on your roster is a far cry from needing someone who is capable of playing half your snaps (essentially a second starter).

Now in the Saints case when you pick up one of those players relatively late in the draft it might not matter for a year or two as the young player is cheap, but once he's in a position to get paid it won't make sense to roster two capable RBs.

I agree with Wheatrich, if the dude can't play full time he's not worth a top 10 (or prob. even first round) pick.

You guys are out of your damn minds. What gives you the impression that kamara "can't" play every down? They just happen to have another very capable back who is helping shoulder some load to give kamara less wear and tear but in crunch time in the playoffs its obviously going to be the kamara show.

Factoring in contracts, kamara is clearly the best rb asset in the league. And even without considering contracts he's top 5.

Yeah lol at anyone doubting kamara. Guys a top asset in the league. Having mark helps him and the saints a good bit for obv reasons but kamara is clearly a cut above

I worry that he’s going to shred an acl but hopefully not.

Kamara could be an "every down back" in the right system. In the Saints system of previous years he could absolutely play 80% of the snaps if that means being capable of scoring on the goaline or picking up short yardage first downs. He is very similar to Jamal Charles in his prime (from what we've seen so far, I mean its been half a season but with a RB what you see is generally what you get).

Systems like the Patriots and Saints for example are perfect for him as he might end up getting 20 totes in the right game or 8 but gets 10 targets. Honestly though, if he was my main back on a team with a mediocre QB but a good defense when it comes January I'm not too confident I can expect him to shoulder the offense for 3-4 games in cold weather games.

Bottom line: he seems to be extremely talented and now a days a guy who can get chunk gains and has great hands whos able to run routes (pass blocking is still important but with how often RBs are running routes out of the backfield I'd rather keep somebody else in to do so) has the best value. The best backs ever have some bell cow guys but Faulk, LT2, and Bell are the the best value because of the pass happy league.

Ingram has been pretty incredble this year tho and is probably being slept on. He moves the chains but seems to had at least 1-2 pretty big runs every week. BTW, Kamara is most certainly a first round talent....wtf, playmakers are pretty damn important.

I love how quickly the same forum which decries concepts like "casual fans" immediately jumps on the bandwagon of every flash in the pan that comes along.

That gave me goosebumps. Well said.

As an NFL GM, what's the highest you'd draft Courtland Sutton right now? Think the Colts will reach that high for him?

Not totally sure how to imbed tweets: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/sta...226496/video/1

Anyway I figure he's gotta go closer to 20's, but wonder if Colts go for it.

"What you see is what you get with rookie RBs" except for 2 of the best RBs itl rn, Bell and McCoy who sucked as rookies

Eta: oh and Gordon who was downright awful

Steelers didn't get Munchak to coach the o-line until Bell's second season, IIRC. He's made a world of difference to that offense.

lol at "flash in the pan". Do you even watch how Kamara runs? He makes excellent cuts and avoids many, many tackles. Very Bell-like. Would be shocked if he started to suck just out of nowhere.

RBs never just fall off a cliff or get injured in a manner from which they can never fully recover? There have been plenty of one year wonders at the position. It's also one of the easiest positions to replace and unless you are GUARANTEED multiple years of Kamara's current production (which you never are) I don't see how one justifies using an early pick, barring unusual circumstances.

Hey guys, with all the sexual harassment and abuse reveals going on I wanted to remind everyone that Ben Roethlisberger literally 100% raped at least one woman.

James White was a 4th round draft pick
Rex Burkhead signed a $3m one year contract
and any team in the NFL could have had Dion Lewis for the minimum

those are 3 reasons why assigning top value to Kamara is not right. you can say Kamara is a cut above all those guys, but those 3 were available for essentially nothing. Kamara's gotta be in a different universe for him to be worth a high first round pick - and until he can prove he can be a true every down guy, he isn't.

(you can say - he could be! - but that and $3 will get you a cup of coffee)

Sure seems like BB makes a killing on guys who weren't looking like ADP or Kamara in their rookie year

What proof do we have that Kamara can't be an every down back? I don't get it. I think people just see his highlights and are assuming he's a Reggie Bush type who is flashy and gets his by quickness & cuts. He's not just that. He has shown the strength to break tackles at an elite rate along with his ball skills in the open field. Were it not for the existence of Mark Ingram he would be playing every down.

so three roster spots are giving you what kamara would?

Dunno if you're referencing me or not but I'm not saying that Kamara is necessarily a flash in the pan or unable to be an every down back right now (but certainly his specific situation is extremely beneficial to his development), just that a RB doesn't need to look like him now, or even really flash his sort of greatness, to be a successful NFL rb in his 2nd, 3rd or even later year. Situation has to matter as well. McCaffrey has like no WRs or TE in his offense, not a great OL and a QB who isn't particularly accurate. Fournette has a **** QB and no firepower other than him, both on teams with good to great defenses who keep games close and allow defenses to key in on the running/short passing game. Kamara is on a team with a top 5ish QB, top 10 rb, weapons at receiver, a great OL and a good defense.

But people saying that Kamara is 100%+ ADP with pass-catching ability while McCaffrey lol sucks and Fournette is trending poorly just aren't being sensitive to a small sample, a history of RB flash in the pans and perceived busts who end up being great.

situation definitely matters but kamara is averaging over 3 yards more per carry+target than mccaffery with the same usage. it doesnt matter that much.

2017 Todd Gurley is averaging 1.6 yards more per carry/target than 2016 Todd Gurley. It is funny that you use per target as Drew Brees vs Cam Newton in accuracy are comparable.

I would like an explanation as to how the frowns firing their GM but explicitly keeping hue makes sense to anyone

Hue can't coach a successful team because the GM has given him absolute trash to work with?

Hue told the owner to draft Carson Wentz and the GM told them not to.

Wentz blew up and now the GM has been fired.

Rex Burkhead or Dion Lewis would probably give you *most* of what Kamara is giving. I'm not saying they are the same, but it's close enough that you're far, far better of signing those guys off the street than spending a top 10 pick on Kamara