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Old 01-08-2018, 12:44 AM   #26
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Bell only got 3.1 ypc and Jags run def wasn't good which is much better with Dareus now. That game gonna be ugly.
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Old 01-08-2018, 12:56 AM   #27
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I'm not a Jags fan but if I was and someone told me we would win the superbowl, but we would have to max extend Bort, I'd snap accept.
Man even New England fans would probably do this. One rang for every team in the league is probably >EV for next 5 seasons.

I mean who wouldn't you make this for even one argument SF if you assume he's the next GOAT?

Brady's gonna be dead. Roeth keeps flirting with retiring. Every other team would snap take the rang right now. Hell half the teams fanbases would agree for locking him up for 10 seasons.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:02 AM   #28
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Unless Brady gets hit by a car the game is RM proof...Pats will prob win by 40.

Saints, Falcons, and lolstealers.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:11 AM   #29
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If Big Rape throws 5 interceptions I don't like their chances. Otherwise, lol bortles.

Titans have to be one of the worst teams in the modern era to make the 2nd round.
Tim Tebow's broncos, the 7-9 seahawks, Capone's post. Brock Osweiler started one. Didn't TJ Yates start one somewhere?

9-6-1 @ 9-7 was a NFC title game (Phi @ Ari), the other side had 6@2 (though that 6 went 11-5). 8-8 SD that year also made round 2. The pats missed at 11-5.

2004 season both NFC Wildcards were 8-8, they both won rd 1. For those of you complaining how bad the AFC looks this weekend, I'd be surprised if it topped that one. Rams were -73.

The Jets at 9-7 beat Peyton 41-0.

99 Arizona -53

Sure there's a total AIDS one somewhere back there but I dunno if I wanna look for it.

95 bears -30 @ 49ers +209. Bears did not cover the spread.

1989 the AFC only had one team over 9 wins. Good lord. (only 5 team playoff back then, so 2 NFC teams missed at 10-6, while the 2 seed in the AFC was the browns @ 9-6-1).

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Old 01-08-2018, 01:25 AM   #30
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Any chance that Marty Oata's wife bumps into Bardy's wife prior to the game and tells her, "Well, MY husband CAN throw the ball and catch it too"?
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:31 AM   #31
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Why would she emphasise 'can' in that sentence
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:49 AM   #32
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Why would she emphasise 'can' in that sentence
When the Giants beat the Pats in their 2nd SB, Welker didn't quite get to a catchable pass that probably would have iced the game. Mrs. B made some snarky comment immediately after the game that her husband couldn't throw the ball and catch it too.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:52 AM   #33
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Feels like AND should be emphasized imo
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Old 01-08-2018, 04:07 AM   #34
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The emphasis is correct. Read the Gisele quote again:

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My husband cannot ****ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time.
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Old 01-08-2018, 04:28 AM   #35
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If you took the best players and coaches from the 4 AFC teams in the wild card round, could you build a team that would be favored @ NE?
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Old 01-08-2018, 04:36 AM   #36
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If you took the best players and coaches from the 4 AFC teams in the wild card round, could you build a team that would be favored @ NE?
Favored? You could build a team that would beat the Pats 19/20 times
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:33 AM   #37
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Favored? You could build a team that would beat the Pats 19/20 times
I would agree. Only positions the Pats would have an edge at would be QB, TE and HC (+Slater+lolkicker). Defense would be completely in favor of the wild card allstars
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:00 AM   #38
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If you took the best players and coaches from the three remaining teams that "all star" squad would look a lot like the Steelers + Jags secondary.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:56 AM   #39
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If you took the best players and coaches from the three remaining teams that "all star" squad would look a lot like the Steelers + Jags secondary.
The question was about the wild card teams though.

LOL PFF and all but just for fun I took a look at the PFF grades for such a hypothetical matchup.

In 3 WR vs nickel formation, the grade averages for the regular season would be:

Patriots O 79
Patriots D 60.5 (their LBs all grade in the 40s as well as their nickel DB)

Wild Card All Stars O 82
Wild Card All Stars D 89.4

O is a little weak with the Chiefs stars Smiff at QB (87) + Hunt (89) and Kelce (87). The rest of the team is just solid with grades from 78 to 83.

D consists of a lot of Jaguars with the Jags secondary + the rookie CB White from the Bills and the Titans all-pro Byard at Safety...

So by that theory it wouldn't be very close...
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Old 01-08-2018, 12:00 PM   #40
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:11 PM   #41
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i cannot imagine a larger franchise-destroying move in context than giving Battle Borts a massive extension. So I hope he goes on a Flacco-level run and rides that defense to the super bowl. **** the Jags
Blake "120 million dollar man" Bortles.
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:28 PM   #42
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Fat Rape def gonna be in a walking boot after getting concussed 4 or 5 times by the SCUMJAGS

#TEAMSCUMJAGS
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:39 PM   #43
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Tomlin is beyond awful and I could easily see the lolstealers thread getting bumped this weekend.

I'm betting the pats -13.5 and staying away from the other three games.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:22 PM   #44
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I would agree. Only positions the Pats would have an edge at would be QB, TE and HC (+Slater+lolkicker). Defense would be completely in favor of the wild card allstars
I think it's actually close. PFF gradeout is an interesting way to do it, but you'd have to model individual player win shares. Instead, I roughed out a model with DVOA and Sagarin predictor. Neither of those are perfect, but I think they are good enough to get a ballpark estimate, and I can also easily get the data going back several years. I'd use Vegas power rankings in place of Sagarin if I had a good source for historical data.

I'm using DVOA to deconstruct down to the offense, defense, and special teams levels. The idea here is I'll pick the best units from the WC round and put it all back together. So I modeled the Sagarin predictor based on those components, chose the best WC units (KC O, JAX D, KC ST), and then produced a predicted Sagarin predictor (!).

One convenient thing about DVOA and Sagarin is that they work really well in a stock OLS regression model. The relationships are linear, the error terms aren't correlated with the predictors, there are no interactions or quadratics, etc. The model fit is really good, so I just have a simple model specification here and will use the parameter estimates to reassemble a Sagarin predictor for the fake team.




Don't forget the 2.44 points (Sagarin) to NE for home field advantage:



I get NE favored by less than a point by Sagarin predictor. Now we can start subbing in player upgrades to our KC-JAX squad and argue how many additional points they are worth, which will obviously be > 0, but not obviously worth more than a few points. At least not obvious to me, anyway.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:24 PM   #45
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Betting Falcons, not touching the rest
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:26 AM   #46
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If you took the best players and coaches from the three remaining teams that "all star" squad would look a lot like the Steelers + Jags secondary.
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The question was about the wild card teams though.

LOL PFF and all but just for fun I took a look at the PFF grades for such a hypothetical matchup.

In 3 WR vs nickel formation, the grade averages for the regular season would be:

Patriots O 79
Patriots D 60.5 (their LBs all grade in the 40s as well as their nickel DB)

Wild Card All Stars O 82
Wild Card All Stars D 89.4

O is a little weak with the Chiefs stars Smiff at QB (87) + Hunt (89) and Kelce (87). The rest of the team is just solid with grades from 78 to 83.

D consists of a lot of Jaguars with the Jags secondary + the rookie CB White from the Bills and the Titans all-pro Byard at Safety...

So by that theory it wouldn't be very close...
Don't forget all-pro Micah Hyde!
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:07 AM   #47
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Pit -7.5 feels like 2.5 points too high.
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:58 PM   #48
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Thinking of buying AFC or NFC championship tickets. Do you think prices on StubHub right now are inflated or a better price than once the team is confirmed? Obviously would get a refund if they don't make it.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:37 PM   #49
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In my lone experience buying playoff tickets the price increased once a good match up was confirmed.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:42 PM   #50
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AFC favorites cover
NFC dogs cover

Uh, so essentially my WC round picks
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